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you

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague on April 24th

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2017 in article was released in the New

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York Times titled people are seeing UFOs

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everywhere in this book proves it the

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article which long preceded the Pentagon

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UFO program story was one of very few

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UFO themed pieces to be covered in a

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very serious and credible manner by this

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prestigious news outlet and it

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immediately went viral people from all

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over the United States were treated to a

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release of data on UFO reports unlike

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ever before and it all came from the

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rigorous and tireless work of two women

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from Syracuse New York Cheryl and Linda

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Costa are the authors of the UFO

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sightings desk reference United States

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of America 2001 to 2015 the book

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includes over a hundred and twenty one

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thousand UFO sightings listed are the

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top UFO hot spots according to the data

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and sighting reports down to the county

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level anyone can use the book to find

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out how many UFO sightings there have

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been in their area and how it stacks up

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against other parts of the US today we

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talk all about how the book came to be

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Cheryl's discoveries and revelations

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while compiling the data and what the

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sheer amount of reports may mean as we

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head into the uncertain future of UFO

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studies and possible disclosure so

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without further ado let's talk numbers

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Cheryl thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies Ryan

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happy to be here this interview has been

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a while in the making as my my crazy

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schedule your crazy schedule it's made

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it extremely difficult more on my end in

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the worst of ways but it certainly is

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going to be worth the wait because today

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we're gonna be talking about your

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massive massive undertaking of a book

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UFO sightings Desk Reference United

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States of America 2001 to 2015 which has

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quickly become not only a reference for

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many UFO researchers but a Bible in some

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way Cheryl but before we even get to

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that I met you for the very first time

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few years back at the International UFO

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Congress where you were speaking and I

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have been following your work ever since

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I was hooked immediately for many

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reasons and then they invited you back

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this year to speak again and some

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amazing things happen this year at the

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event so I would love to hear all about

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the 2018 I UFO see and the incredible

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news that happened out there for you

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well they set me up the talk on the

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first day so I was the second speaker of

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the of the Convention and the that was

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fun and Chris Mike my presentations tend

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to be varied thank God they gave me a

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wireless mic this year because I tend to

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dance around the stage quite a bit oh

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yeah I remember and you know I a lot of

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people came up to me after the thing and

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liked it I could hear the audience with

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their humor with the humor and that they

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were digging the humor and so you know I

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do it presentation that while it's

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Maxwell in this case it had a lot of

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statistics and everything I did it with

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a great deal of stand-up comedy humor

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and I used to do stand-up comedy many

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years ago really I didn't know that it's

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a dark area of my life but I did I did

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do I did do I did everything from open

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mic nights even had a few normal

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bookings as a stand-up comic nothing I'm

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really proud of but it it was on it was

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interesting and I understand

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great deal about it I didn't want to

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make a career of it but so I gave my

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presentation I was fine Holly Andra was

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just just being Curt she loved it you

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know and all these other people were

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coming up to me and I didn't think much

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more about it than that I spent some

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time the dealer shop yeah the dealer

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dear thing to passing up cards you

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couldn't take books with us because and

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you know and took a hundred these books

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with us there's a man you know and we

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had all we could do to get our bags out

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there little let alone cart of you know

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a hundred pounds worth of books so that

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was pretty much it I was just hanging

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out in the dealer sweet talk and the

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people and things like that handing out

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these little car business cards so we

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had turned it up they had all the

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information he needed to order the book

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and so we get to the we get to the

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banquet dinner and I'm sitting there I'm

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sitting there with Lauren Benton and I

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had I had dr. okay goodness gracious

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we had an all-star table really did and

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a Gordon dr. Gordon Speer was sitting

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with me and all of a sudden they're

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talking about we're all we're going to

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now do the debris of a researcher of the

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year you know and all of a sudden I see

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my picture flash up on the screens I'm

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going oh my god and and it wasn't

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necessarily for the book I mean the book

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was a contributing issue but the whole

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the whole overall thing was the fact

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that I've been writing this column for

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almost five years and as it was put in

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the in the in the video they did but you

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know doing nothing but generating

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positive press about the UFO community

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about UFO research and getting positive

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press in the in the process and then

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when the book came out New York Times

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who would never get a nice thing to say

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about you those were the last 70 years

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there was a situation where the feel of

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surprise running reporter for The Times

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walks in the throats of two and 1/2

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pound book on their destined said some

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some ladies in Syracuse that science you

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know it was all of that it was the whole

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community the thing and what was special

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it was all women that won this year was

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really really fantastic the lady who won

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from film she won two awards Wow and she

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wanted to separate films and there was a

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Lifetime Achievement Award for a long I

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don't remember the lady's name and I

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apologize for that but she won a

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Lifetime Achievement Award or daughter

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accepted it for her and she was like one

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of what I'm gonna say one of the

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old-time UFO researchers we're talking

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60s 70s kind of stuff you know and she

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got this Lifetime Achievement Award and

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I was delighted to see it you know and

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so it was a really wonderful convention

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this year I did have my bad moments at

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really would you mind would you mind

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talking about that I'd love to hear yeah

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Rama the trauma goes to levels okay

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I had a number of people mystical II

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a box corner going like my door or

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something like this and tell me they

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were from the air force and we're

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watching you you know that kind of thing

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and it kinda it got a little

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intimidating and such and a lot of

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people say well I would have punched

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them out you know no I wasn't about to

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get myself arrested in Arizona yeah you

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know and so that was that and then I get

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one guy the cabe I was looking through

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our book and then he he says you ladies

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had some man check this work right my

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god anybody's pounding on my book you

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know you didn't check this out with some

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man you know and I just looked at her

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and said no you know I said you're

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talking to two brilliant people here

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don't bother me with your ideas you know

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that was probably the ugliest thing that

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happened and I can't keep your show

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somewhat PG I can't tell you what I said

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to him with with the extensive career

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and things you've done with your life

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Cheryl I could really imagine you know

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what that did and what it conjured up

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and poof man I'm glad I'm glad he

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decided to keep the peace for

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you know something one of the guys that

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this guy was six foot six

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and he was built like a freak doing big

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old bubble in this one area out there in

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the hallway there and it was during the

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change of two lectures and things and

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zipped through me this whole hard time

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watching you you know I said if you're

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trying to intimidate me and frighten me

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he said you're barking up the wrong tree

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and I said well I'm a combat veteran and

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I went through a 16 that scares me

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anymore

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right so you know what that's enough for

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some people for sure let's do it yeah I

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mean I loved as much as as a playwright

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myself I know you've done some

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playwriting in your time dramas great

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but we're here to talk about UFOs and I

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kind of want to start for any of my

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listeners who may not be familiar with

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your work Cheryl um I learned about you

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through my local newspaper the Syracuse

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New Times which is amazing so I would

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love to hear first of all how you got

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started on this journey to researching

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UFOs how it ultimately led to journalism

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and then the Syracuse New Times I know

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that's a lot to throw at you but let's

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hear the origin story if we're gonna go

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comic books yeah the origin story is

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kind of fun

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okay I had my first sighting back in

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1965 when I was about 12 years old

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real short story we were visiting some

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relatives about three weeks before going

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back to school from the summer vacation

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we were coming down a hill from their

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farm and the sky was clear blue not a

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cloud in the sky and my mother suddenly

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has my father pulled a car off the dirt

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road she points at this thing out in the

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sky and sitting out there like a rock

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it's a silver ball now give you an idea

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how big a way to hold your arm out look

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at your little fingernail that's how big

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that sucker was okay

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my mom explained course NASA was new at

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that time you know it's only about five

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six years old so I said it might be

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something year

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was doing some NASA's doing maybe it's a

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weather balloon it might be people from

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another world and she was very gentle

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about explaining that and I was

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fascinated so finally my dad gets the

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car back on the road and we get down we

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get down the hill we turn onto the state

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hunt the state you know paved highway so

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you know I crawled up in the back window

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of that old Chevy Impala and just

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wondering who they are and when that

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thing decided to go was like something

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like you see in a starship movie now

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gone and that changed me and and I think

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my next fighting was about six seven

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years later I was in the Air Force and I

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was going it was Christmas Eve 1971 I

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was going 11:30 at night I'm going down

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to go to midnight mass with one of the

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guys from my barracks time and we were

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walking along and again it was one of

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those clear night skies because there

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was low light pollution uh it was a

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gazillion stars galaxy was overhead all

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that stuff you know and we're walking

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along sort of facing westward and we see

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the streak going across the sky and

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we're very lots of jet you know that

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we're Vietnam you know yeah and then all

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of a sudden it stops and then touch this

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wait a minute Jets don't do that and and

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we thought well maybe it's a chopper

291
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he's up there hi yeah but choppers don't

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fly it it fast and I said well maybe

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it's a UFO maybe it's gonna start

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dancing suddenly it starts dancing like

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a little fairy up there didn't it

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you know and everything and then gone

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Tom and I was sitting there just

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stumbling for words and when we got the

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midnight mass certainly we did not have

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our minds at midnight mass yeah and but

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you know I didn't tell anybody that

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story till about 15 years ago that's

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amazing it was some Native American

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friends you know I shared it with one

305
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night over over camper but up until then

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I never shared it now that didn't mean I

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wasn't well read on the topic in 1998 19

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mm all right I'm sorry 1990 I was away

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on a business trip and I used to go

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about a great deal I was in the Euro

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space industry and I traveled a great

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deal and I was out in Ohio

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and I got hospitalized and I had to have

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abdominal surgery and what was the

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problem was my I had packed up my

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apartment put everything in storage

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because I was gonna get a new apartment

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when I came back from this two-month

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business trip and I came back after 10

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days in the hospital

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and I didn't have a home to go to so I

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called around and this one friend of

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mine said wait a minute you know says

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hey my father is on chemotherapy and

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treating for cancer I'm staying with him

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undecided Toni so here's the key to my

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house a little Marilyn go there feed the

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cat you know would you like so I did

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well when I got into his house as a

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disaster area I do up picking up and

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cleaning up you know I mean honest to

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god I mean this guy he had of 45 shells

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you know uh you know he was a gun

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collector and everything but this guy

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had first edition hardback books of

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every major UFO book that had been

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published up to 1990 he had about

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everything Stanton Friedman had

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published that time in hardback

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it was a floor-to-ceiling bookshelf four

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feet wide backs out with nothing but UFO

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books Wow

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and some of them I had read in high

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school things like this but the so hey

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he didn't have cable so I had nothing

346
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better to do sit back and read these

347
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books so it was kind of like a six-month

348
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college education and UFOs mm-hmm all

349
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right so I'm well-read on the topic but

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I wouldn't say I was any kind of an

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activist all right fast forward 2011 I

352
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retired from Lockheed Martin

353
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unceremoniously bunch of us got walked

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out the door and said oh you're retired

355
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now you know we were 30 years and above

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okay that they started with the 45 year

357
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guys came down the hall over 40 years

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people that got to me in 30 year people

359
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pham gone so I took a job with the news

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another newspaper it was the

361
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post-standard and I was working the

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technical department and I put out I

363
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made the plates to make the newspaper

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every night

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imagine cookie sheets without the edges

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on I'm

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without and this thing is like a laser

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printer it burns it into the metal okay

369
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here are an emulsion on the metal so I

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would make about anywhere between a

371
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hundred and four hundred of these plates

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every night and presses were rolling

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everything was on the presses were

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rolling all I had to do at this point

375
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there sprout about 11:30 12:00 o'clock

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at night all you do is sit back for

377
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about the next two hours and let them

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roll that 710 split press so they're

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rolling along everything spine I decide

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to go on I'm on line there and in the

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office there and they in the neck room

382
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and I go on to cnn.com to see what

383
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there's any interesting news you know

384
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and there was this little sidebar story

385
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November 5th 2012 and the sidebar story

386
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said UFOs have been declining since

387
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1980s maybe they were always just an

388
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urban legend

389
00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:11,270
and my gun instinct said wait a minute

390
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that feels like misinformation in a big

391
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way so for the first time in my life I

392
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googled out and found the national UFO

393
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Reporting Center and I looked up from

394
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about 1980 up to about 1995 the number

395
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just a year in some reason I dropped

396
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them into a quick you know Excel

397
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spreadsheet and the thing went up like a

398
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rocket and I'm sitting here looking at

399
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:35,630
this bar chart and my first impression

400
00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:40,400
was what memo did the UFOs get so being

401
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was the first time I had ever been out

402
00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:44,330
that a new fork site I started over the

403
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next couple of evenings when the presses

404
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were rolling I'd sit back and read

405
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somebody's accounts now I've been told

406
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:51,230
like everybody else only nuts and cokes

407
00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:53,690
and crackpots filed these reports and

408
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:55,310
I'm reading these reports and they're

409
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all very sincere most people are just

410
00:18:01,300 --> 00:17:59,420
average people not saying I didn't

411
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:01,310
believe in this stuff but this happened

412
00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:03,890
to us and and and we saw this and they

413
00:18:07,419 --> 00:18:05,990
explained it very sometimes very

414
00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:07,429
detailed sometimes only two or three

415
00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:10,070
lines but the thing was everything I saw

416
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was very sincere you could tell the

417
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crackpot ones you know most of them were

418
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just average people trying to get

419
00:18:21,970 --> 00:18:19,550
something off their chest so my degree

420
00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:21,980
was an entertainment writing I'm not

421
00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:23,950
your classic journalist and

422
00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:25,580
entertainment writing and production

423
00:18:29,169 --> 00:18:27,590
that's coming from the play writing and

424
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radio writing and television writing

425
00:18:33,910 --> 00:18:30,350
background that I

426
00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:33,920
so I took a couple of these accounts now

427
00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:35,540
I couldn't tell you who they you know

428
00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:37,340
the who what when where why is what the

429
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:39,950
press journalists have right right for

430
00:18:44,110 --> 00:18:42,080
the rules I couldn't tell you who

431
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:44,120
because most these reports are anonymous

432
00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:46,490
or are shielded out from the from the

433
00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:47,809
reporting service they won't tell you

434
00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:51,710
who it is okay I can't tell you why and

435
00:18:56,260 --> 00:18:53,630
if I could I be getting a Nobel Prize

436
00:18:58,900 --> 00:18:56,270
right but I could tell you what when and

437
00:19:01,419 --> 00:18:58,910
where so if if a report came out and

438
00:19:03,070 --> 00:19:01,429
said oh me and my girlfriend were on the

439
00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:03,080
hood of my car we were watching this guy

440
00:19:07,210 --> 00:19:06,140
I suddenly became calm and Suze we're on

441
00:19:09,490 --> 00:19:07,220
the hood of their car

442
00:19:11,290 --> 00:19:09,500
you know the facts were always correct

443
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:11,300
sometimes I had to embellish the story a

444
00:19:15,490 --> 00:19:12,650
little bit to be able to tell a story

445
00:19:18,130 --> 00:19:15,500
and I went around to about 12 different

446
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,140
newspaper editors in upstate New York

447
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:20,480
I got thrown out of offices I got

448
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,090
escorted out by security I got left out

449
00:19:26,919 --> 00:19:25,280
of offices I had one editor look at me

450
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:26,929
and she was the nighttime internet

451
00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:29,690
editor and she she looked at me and said

452
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:32,780
what bring a tin foil do you wear of

453
00:19:37,570 --> 00:19:35,120
course and I was feeling pretty down

454
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:37,580
about this finally I had worked with a

455
00:19:42,370 --> 00:19:40,010
guy by the name of Larry Dietrich and he

456
00:19:44,049 --> 00:19:42,380
had been a copy editor over to standard

457
00:19:45,940 --> 00:19:44,059
for years and they went through a whole

458
00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:45,950
big downsizing and bought a whole bunch

459
00:19:50,110 --> 00:19:47,900
of people out gave him early retirement

460
00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:50,120
all this stuff I heard he became the

461
00:19:53,980 --> 00:19:51,980
editor in chief over to Syracuse New

462
00:19:56,110 --> 00:19:53,990
Times so I made an appointment to go

463
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over and talk to him and when I got in

464
00:20:01,210 --> 00:19:58,790
to talk to him before he even looked at

465
00:20:03,460 --> 00:20:01,220
my four or five sheets with a proposal

466
00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:03,470
poured me a cup of coffee we sat back

467
00:20:07,810 --> 00:20:05,510
and he started talking to me about UFOs

468
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,820
he had read about every major book I had

469
00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:10,400
ever read by the end of 25 30 minutes he

470
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says I am sympathetic

471
00:20:16,990 --> 00:20:14,870
show me your slides so we get done I

472
00:20:18,970 --> 00:20:17,000
showed my pitch and what I think the

473
00:20:21,310 --> 00:20:18,980
demographics are and I'm proposing it

474
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:21,320
not for his printed paper but for his

475
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:24,050
newly developed online edition cuz I

476
00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:26,450
figured I had there was more as they say

477
00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:28,580
column space available on an Internet

478
00:20:33,820 --> 00:20:31,220
web page versus column safe that picks

479
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:33,830
up this cost money in a newspaper right

480
00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:36,710
and that kind of real estate spree

481
00:20:40,930 --> 00:20:38,809
valuable so he said ok we'll try you out

482
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,940
for a month it's okay so I gave him five

483
00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:42,320
articles here you go

484
00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:43,549
we'll talk

485
00:20:47,499 --> 00:20:45,590
and in the month he calls me up Charl

486
00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:47,509
wine I saw I'm gonna talk to you come on

487
00:20:53,289 --> 00:20:51,769
over the office well that's it you know

488
00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:53,299
and I get in there I'm a little late

489
00:20:57,159 --> 00:20:54,769
getting into the meeting because that

490
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every parking was terrible and I get the

491
00:21:00,489 --> 00:20:58,850
I get the parking taken care of and I

492
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:00,499
get upstairs about five ten minutes late

493
00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:01,850
to the meeting and I walk into the

494
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office and he stops he sees me come in

495
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:06,230
so well there's our rockstar and I

496
00:21:11,649 --> 00:21:09,590
looked at my rock star he says yeah you

497
00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:11,659
drawn more page views and everybody

498
00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:13,940
combined and that's where it went so

499
00:21:15,820 --> 00:21:15,470
they said just keep doing what you're

500
00:21:18,129 --> 00:21:15,830
doing

501
00:21:20,649 --> 00:21:18,139
and then eventually I ended up with time

502
00:21:22,690 --> 00:21:20,659
Marshall is my digital editor and we

503
00:21:24,369 --> 00:21:22,700
found out a bunch of things we found out

504
00:21:25,749 --> 00:21:24,379
when I was getting we could figured out

505
00:21:28,419 --> 00:21:25,759
could figure out when I was getting

506
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:28,429
censored not by the newspaper if I told

507
00:21:32,889 --> 00:21:30,470
you if I told you in an article that we

508
00:21:34,810 --> 00:21:32,899
posted and we said something like Susie

509
00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:34,820
and her parents went to the ice cream

510
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:36,710
store and they well and while they were

511
00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:38,450
ordering their custard I saw three

512
00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:40,190
shining disc fly over the ice cream

513
00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:42,590
store at high speed followed by a couple

514
00:21:47,409 --> 00:21:45,350
of Air Force jets you could on Google

515
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:47,419
you couldn't find the article of course

516
00:21:53,109 --> 00:21:50,090
mr. mr. Snowden called to explain to us

517
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:53,119
much later that the NSA had had its

518
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,369
fingers in to Google for years and at

519
00:21:58,539 --> 00:21:57,440
first my MANET my editor thought thought

520
00:22:00,489 --> 00:21:58,549
you know I was just being a little

521
00:22:02,499 --> 00:22:00,499
paranoid then he started noticing it

522
00:22:04,869 --> 00:22:02,509
so after this happened six or seven

523
00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:04,879
times you'd Google the art name with the

524
00:22:09,159 --> 00:22:06,529
article and you couldn't find it except

525
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,169
on searches new times but other articles

526
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:11,600
would get posted by UFO pages and things

527
00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:13,850
like this and reposted and it kind of

528
00:22:19,299 --> 00:22:16,519
had a little life of its own so we got a

529
00:22:23,169 --> 00:22:19,309
hold of the guy runs our Dirk who runs

530
00:22:25,419 --> 00:22:23,179
the UFO digest up in Toronto and he

531
00:22:27,549 --> 00:22:25,429
noticed also that this is happening so

532
00:22:29,499 --> 00:22:27,559
what he would do is him he saw he

533
00:22:31,419 --> 00:22:29,509
couldn't find it on the internet he

534
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:31,429
would go directly to Circus New Times

535
00:22:36,669 --> 00:22:33,710
copy the article and we gave him

536
00:22:38,169 --> 00:22:36,679
permission to post it up with up at UFO

537
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:38,179
Digest so it could be seen

538
00:22:44,049 --> 00:22:41,529
internationally Wow that's how we work

539
00:22:46,239 --> 00:22:44,059
right oh that's so cool though that they

540
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,249
were able to you know cooperate and and

541
00:22:50,169 --> 00:22:48,559
do that knowing full well that clearly

542
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:50,179
you know you were getting censored from

543
00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:53,570
like some unknown entity and and you

544
00:22:56,289 --> 00:22:54,830
know what that doesn't surprise me at

545
00:22:57,220 --> 00:22:56,299
this point you know that they they're

546
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:57,230
able to control

547
00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:00,080
the search engines and all that in terms

548
00:23:05,409 --> 00:23:02,840
of like certain keywords I would imagine

549
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:05,419
that you're using airforce UFO this that

550
00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:08,510
I can only imagine if it mentioned if it

551
00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:11,750
mentioned anything military it it got

552
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:14,270
squelch right so the bottom line was

553
00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:16,250
that went on like that way for about two

554
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:17,960
about a year and a half two years and

555
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:20,809
then by early 2015

556
00:23:24,909 --> 00:23:22,970
ty Marshall came back to me said I want

557
00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:24,919
you to get it get a Facebook account and

558
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:27,470
I said I want you to promote on Facebook

559
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:30,559
and that's when we really took off okay

560
00:23:35,950 --> 00:23:33,290
and so we've been we've been enjoying

561
00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:35,960
very very wonderful page view of page

562
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:39,350
view quantity for since we did that went

563
00:23:46,510 --> 00:23:42,770
through Facebook I share with upwards of

564
00:23:48,669 --> 00:23:46,520
about 35 to 40 UFO groups on Facebook on

565
00:23:50,650 --> 00:23:48,679
a weekly basis when my articles come out

566
00:23:54,780 --> 00:23:50,660
and we know it from there and then

567
00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:54,790
coming out of 2015 and you'll love this

568
00:24:00,220 --> 00:23:58,070
2015 I speak at the International UFO

569
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,230
Congress that's the one where I met you

570
00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:02,480
I send that a wine I'd meant been to the

571
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:05,630
one in 2014 you know but during one of

572
00:24:08,830 --> 00:24:07,730
the mixers they had for like the

573
00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:08,840
speakers like that

574
00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:12,049
I met dr. Gordon spear at the time he

575
00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:14,990
was the chair of the astronomy

576
00:24:19,390 --> 00:24:16,940
department at Sonoma University in

577
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:19,400
California he's now retired he said

578
00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:21,770
could you get me County data as he saw I

579
00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:23,780
hit some County data from New York State

580
00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:26,660
but it was kind of spotty and I said boy

581
00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:27,620
that's a tall order

582
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:29,780
MUFON sort of collects it but it's not

583
00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:32,960
very good and new fork certainly doesn't

584
00:24:36,940 --> 00:24:35,240
collect it in fact I caught I wrote a

585
00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:36,950
letter of mu fines that are not moving

586
00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:39,140
on but new fork and I said told my

587
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:41,270
sister do you guys air any way you can

588
00:24:44,770 --> 00:24:42,770
make County data available we don't

589
00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:44,780
collect it you know as well how can I

590
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:46,700
get the information stick a pin in a man

591
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:49,730
that was their answer you know and so I

592
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:51,710
told him I would research a way to do

593
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,650
this and the way we decided to do this

594
00:24:59,380 --> 00:24:56,720
was I spent the next three or four

595
00:25:00,940 --> 00:24:59,390
months pulling down I pulled down all of

596
00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:00,950
the New York state information resolved

597
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:03,620
at the time I was about 4200 records and

598
00:25:08,020 --> 00:25:05,570
we sent there with Google and we looked

599
00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:08,030
up the county city cities took us four

600
00:25:12,370 --> 00:25:10,430
or five months okay mm-hm

601
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:12,380
and we said we can't be doing this but

602
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:14,690
then we started sharing some of our

603
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,870
charts with other investigators here in

604
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:19,760
New York State guys like Bob long a

605
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:22,370
former state assistant director things

606
00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:24,650
like that and everybody knew that there

607
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:26,390
was a Lake Erie effect we all knew that

608
00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:28,970
we didn't my church showed that there

609
00:25:33,070 --> 00:25:31,220
was a Lake Ontario effect too it's just

610
00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:33,080
you couldn't see it until you put County

611
00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:35,270
data to the sightings then you suddenly

612
00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:37,180
started seeing all these clusters and

613
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:39,320
there was all this stuff we were

614
00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:42,130
discovering and so one night in October

615
00:25:46,090 --> 00:25:43,660
2015

616
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:46,100
Linda and I were sitting down having a

617
00:25:52,270 --> 00:25:49,130
beer in our pub and we're sitting there

618
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:52,280
saying you know kitty Hoynes for anybody

619
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:54,020
knows Syracuse oh I know kitty Goins

620
00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:57,110
well unfortunately and fortunately I was

621
00:26:01,330 --> 00:25:59,450
same here and we're sitting here in

622
00:26:02,980 --> 00:26:01,340
Kitty Hines we're having a pint and

623
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:02,990
having a bite to eat and sitting there

624
00:26:07,270 --> 00:26:04,610
talking so look at all the cool stuff we

625
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,280
discovered and what we did this for the

626
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:08,960
whole country because the trick was

627
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:11,450
we're both former government contractors

628
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:14,570
I was a government a military industrial

629
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:17,450
complex type of contractor she worked

630
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:19,610
for a firm that supplied research

631
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:22,570
librarians to government libraries Wow

632
00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:24,860
okay she used to work at the National

633
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:27,230
Academy of Science for a number of years

634
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:29,210
and then she was the head librarian at

635
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,130
the Environmental Protection Agency for

636
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:33,440
14 years okay now that's the research

637
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:35,240
position she can tell you more about

638
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:39,290
toxic chemicals and economic poisons and

639
00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:41,210
you can shake a stick yet so the bottom

640
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:43,280
line we said well it would take a year

641
00:26:47,950 --> 00:26:44,650
to do it

642
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:47,960
let's try because we had when we were

643
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:49,730
doing the Eric stink we figured out what

644
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:52,370
we were doing wrong and we wrote down

645
00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:55,130
processes in a spiral notebook this is

646
00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:57,350
how you clean up the data step one this

647
00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:59,210
is how you clean up the data step two

648
00:27:04,030 --> 00:27:01,730
this is how you add County data to it

649
00:27:06,610 --> 00:27:04,040
step three this is how you fix this this

650
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:06,620
is how you fix that okay because the

651
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:08,330
data is the day that we download was

652
00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:12,500
very dirty and we did so if you count

653
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:14,780
the time we throat the processes and the

654
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:17,210
time we actually worked on the UFO

655
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:18,590
sighting Desk Reference

656
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:22,610
it took about 18 months Wow okay every

657
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:24,290
weekend for 60

658
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,990
months that's that's a lot of work like

659
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:28,880
I mean to a lot of people 18 months

660
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,200
doesn't seem like a long time but when

661
00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:32,000
you're doing something that you guys are

662
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:34,670
doing compiling data that is a huge

663
00:27:39,670 --> 00:27:37,250
undertaking this isn't writing prose you

664
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:39,680
know like coming out of someone's

665
00:27:43,390 --> 00:27:40,490
imagination

666
00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:43,400
this is doing hard research I can't even

667
00:27:47,260 --> 00:27:44,600
imagine what that must have been like

668
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:47,270
just numbers everywhere you probably saw

669
00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:49,250
them everywhere you looked it was

670
00:27:52,690 --> 00:27:50,870
crunching it was cleaning up the

671
00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:52,700
databases do you know what the number

672
00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:56,060
one problem was within the databases 3%

673
00:28:01,840 --> 00:27:59,000
3% now 3% and we had a hundred and

674
00:28:05,170 --> 00:28:01,850
twenty one thousand records right for

675
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:05,180
the entire United States 3% people

676
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,850
either didn't give us the city or they

677
00:28:11,410 --> 00:28:09,440
would write in something like I'm afraid

678
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:11,420
to tell you or my wife tells me not to

679
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,010
tell you my husband said I should not

680
00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:14,960
tell you I'm afraid the sheriff will

681
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,960
come find us you know and and stuff like

682
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:20,000
that okay and then there's someone I

683
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:22,130
don't just left it blank now that's the

684
00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:24,170
first major problem with the cities the

685
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:26,060
second major problem is people cannot

686
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,960
spell the name of their town that could

687
00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:32,480
be a problem and we paint we had major

688
00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:35,030
issues with that it leads on to what our

689
00:28:40,450 --> 00:28:38,360
future one of our future projects so we

690
00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:40,460
got the county data in there we cleaned

691
00:28:44,340 --> 00:28:42,350
up things as best we could you can't run

692
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:44,350
a spellcheck because on you'll

693
00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:46,310
unfortunately change the spelling is

694
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:49,040
something you shouldn't probably okay so

695
00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:51,260
we cleaned it up best we could got

696
00:28:54,730 --> 00:28:52,100
everything ready to go

697
00:28:56,890 --> 00:28:54,740
I started generating charts and I gave

698
00:29:00,610 --> 00:28:56,900
them to Linda she had the government

699
00:29:02,290 --> 00:29:00,620
publishing background and said we're

700
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:02,300
going to the first thing I got a

701
00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:04,130
qualifying this thing Linda you know

702
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,200
people say oh what did Linda work at

703
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:08,240
she's just a little lady in the

704
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:10,460
background right yeah okay she's short

705
00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:12,170
but she's not just the little lady in

706
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:13,700
the background she was the brains of the

707
00:29:17,860 --> 00:29:15,410
entire operation I've got an

708
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:17,870
entertainment writing degree she's got

709
00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:19,640
the real science degree she's got a

710
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:21,500
master's in the library science for

711
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:23,390
God's sake she said she's a trained

712
00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:26,690
researcher so she kept me honest on a

713
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:28,700
lot of things and she said this is stuff

714
00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:30,710
this is what we have to do to make this

715
00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:33,590
a valid book and oh by the way we're not

716
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:35,150
just gonna have a cute little book with

717
00:29:38,499 --> 00:29:36,890
some Cuba Elliot's on the front we're

718
00:29:40,930 --> 00:29:38,509
gonna publish a real

719
00:29:42,879 --> 00:29:40,940
reference book because that's sadly

720
00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:42,889
lacking in the UFO community and

721
00:29:47,469 --> 00:29:44,959
everybody's crying oh we need more

722
00:29:49,349 --> 00:29:47,479
science well this was science and she's

723
00:29:52,659 --> 00:29:49,359
that's how we're going to do it right

724
00:29:54,999 --> 00:29:52,669
Linda was the brains between the behind

725
00:29:57,159 --> 00:29:55,009
the entire operation I hit the

726
00:29:59,469 --> 00:29:57,169
spreadsheet background from two sources

727
00:30:02,589 --> 00:29:59,479
one working at Lockheed Martin for 30

728
00:30:05,529 --> 00:30:02,599
years but to learn how to do the pivot

729
00:30:08,019 --> 00:30:05,539
tables charts and graphs I was working

730
00:30:11,949 --> 00:30:08,029
at a bank part-time here in downtown

731
00:30:13,629 --> 00:30:11,959
Syracuse that was a corporate bank and I

732
00:30:16,329 --> 00:30:13,639
was in the back room in the invoicing

733
00:30:19,539 --> 00:30:16,339
department and I learned how to do pivot

734
00:30:21,579 --> 00:30:19,549
tables from bankers and they know how to

735
00:30:24,669 --> 00:30:21,589
really manipulate Excel like you would

736
00:30:26,709 --> 00:30:24,679
not believe so that's how that part of

737
00:30:29,619 --> 00:30:26,719
it came to be so I guess my next

738
00:30:32,109 --> 00:30:29,629
question for that would be then so you

739
00:30:33,879 --> 00:30:32,119
you got this experience you know with

740
00:30:36,669 --> 00:30:33,889
the different areas that you and Linda

741
00:30:38,649 --> 00:30:36,679
you know came from where did the source

742
00:30:40,449 --> 00:30:38,659
material for the actual reports come

743
00:30:43,329 --> 00:30:40,459
from Sheryl national UFO Reporting

744
00:30:46,539 --> 00:30:43,339
Center it was easy in fact what we

745
00:30:48,339 --> 00:30:46,549
decided to do was we we made a decision

746
00:30:51,999 --> 00:30:48,349
to do the book okay

747
00:30:55,019 --> 00:30:52,009
in October of 2015 and we said tie you

748
00:30:58,209 --> 00:30:55,029
up let's wait until January first

749
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,219
download the new fork data now that was

750
00:31:02,859 --> 00:31:01,039
easy because in spreadsheets but if

751
00:31:04,419 --> 00:31:02,869
you've got a webpage and it's got it's

752
00:31:06,669 --> 00:31:04,429
broken up in the columns things if you

753
00:31:09,849 --> 00:31:06,679
go into Excel you can go into the data

754
00:31:10,959 --> 00:31:09,859
feature and pull a webpage down into it

755
00:31:13,239 --> 00:31:10,969
and it will pull right into a

756
00:31:15,549 --> 00:31:13,249
spreadsheet and we downloaded every

757
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:15,559
single state in the Union individually

758
00:31:20,709 --> 00:31:18,799
into separate spreadsheets and we did it

759
00:31:22,869 --> 00:31:20,719
starting at 5 o'clock in the morning on

760
00:31:26,289 --> 00:31:22,879
New Year's Day morning now you would not

761
00:31:31,749 --> 00:31:26,299
believe the bandwidth you have on New

762
00:31:35,709 --> 00:31:31,759
Year's Day morning over nobody's on yeah

763
00:31:38,259 --> 00:31:35,719
yeah I had the entire all 50 states in

764
00:31:40,659 --> 00:31:38,269
the district downloaded and about three

765
00:31:42,189 --> 00:31:40,669
and a half four hours oh wow okay so I

766
00:31:44,589 --> 00:31:42,199
started cleaning that up

767
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:44,599
and I was probably in the late April

768
00:31:48,909 --> 00:31:46,609
early May and that's the point where I

769
00:31:50,589 --> 00:31:48,919
needed the MUFON data and we went

770
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:50,599
through some hoops with them to get the

771
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:52,450
stuff fine and I was not me

772
00:31:56,490 --> 00:31:54,520
not making any headway I get they kept

773
00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:56,500
coming back with more and more questions

774
00:31:59,250 --> 00:31:57,790
they wanted to know what I was doing I

775
00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:59,260
was getting to the point where it was

776
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,480
starting to infringe on what I

777
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:03,760
considered our proprietary product I

778
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:05,410
don't want to tell him what I'm up to

779
00:32:11,210 --> 00:32:08,770
okay and Linda did Linda so then is the

780
00:32:13,170 --> 00:32:11,220
executive so she got on the telephone

781
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:13,180
20-minute phone call I'm not sure

782
00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:14,920
monkeyed around these people for four

783
00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:16,870
weeks with emails she gets out of

784
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:19,270
telephone 20 minutes later I had the

785
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:20,580
file

786
00:32:26,490 --> 00:32:23,620
you know she was talking boss talk yes

787
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:26,500
it worked out and so we started cleaning

788
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:28,510
up the MUFON now that was another whole

789
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:31,690
can of worms because the data was dirty

790
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:34,150
in a different way the dates didn't

791
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:37,570
always jive with Excel okay anybody's

792
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:39,310
ever worked with Excel knows that dates

793
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:41,500
can if you import them from databases or

794
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:45,040
other sources sometimes the the date

795
00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:49,090
time thing doesn't sync and it and it

796
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:50,950
gets messy and the date isn't right

797
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:53,620
things like that or you can't process or

798
00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:55,990
scan the date like with a sort or

799
00:33:00,450 --> 00:32:58,270
something like that it gets missing okay

800
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:00,460
very so that took a lot of extra effort

801
00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:03,250
but in most cases move on this is the

802
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:05,590
interesting thing a new fork for most

803
00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:08,530
states was about 60 70 percent of the

804
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:09,390
data

805
00:33:18,180 --> 00:33:16,270
depending upon the state there were

806
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:18,190
three states where MUFON was the

807
00:33:24,780 --> 00:33:21,490
dominant state and they had most of the

808
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:24,790
data ratio okay but that's something

809
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:26,050
most people didn't know because I had

810
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:27,790
people trying to tell me that MUFON a

811
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:29,650
new for call they hit the equal numbers

812
00:33:35,610 --> 00:33:32,890
and you know no no no no a new fork has

813
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:35,620
by far most of the sightings well I

814
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:38,110
guess you know let's sort of get to that

815
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:41,290
data so how many reports total are we

816
00:33:45,060 --> 00:33:42,640
looking at in terms of what you guys

817
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:45,070
covered in this reference now understand

818
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:47,380
the there were some corrupted data in

819
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:49,090
there probably we lost maybe about a

820
00:33:53,670 --> 00:33:51,700
hundred and thirty okay but in the

821
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:53,680
scheme of things I could I would say

822
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,480
more like a hundred nathie in the scheme

823
00:34:00,750 --> 00:33:57,760
of things there was not it was like that

824
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:00,760
was nothing because the the Romana

825
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,590
reports we had worked out to about a

826
00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:04,720
hundred and twenty one thousand now in

827
00:34:11,129 --> 00:34:06,660
the book we published one hundred

828
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:11,139
1036 if he quoted me now I'd say 121,000

829
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:14,110
because we lost 18 in there because of

830
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:15,850
spelling or corruptions and things like

831
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:18,270
this and actually the numbers around 100

832
00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:22,810
21,000 Wow I mean from 2001 to 2015

833
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:25,000
right right and that's a staggering

834
00:34:30,060 --> 00:34:27,010
number to think that that's what was

835
00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:30,070
reported what did not go reported I can

836
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:32,980
only imagine and so we think we've come

837
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:34,960
up with statistics sense then that

838
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:37,840
suggests you know if you go to UFO

839
00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:40,090
community people will stand up and tell

840
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:41,889
you one in ten people reports what they

841
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,110
see but usually that is determinate so

842
00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:46,960
I'm gonna UFO talk Stanton Friedman or

843
00:34:50,070 --> 00:34:48,040
somebody will go up there saying how

844
00:34:51,389 --> 00:34:50,080
many people have seen the UFO all the

845
00:34:53,129 --> 00:34:51,399
hands go up thanks how many people

846
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:53,139
report them and most of the hands go

847
00:34:56,399 --> 00:34:55,000
down and somebody counts the numbers the

848
00:34:58,620 --> 00:34:56,409
hands that are still up and it works out

849
00:35:00,060 --> 00:34:58,630
about ten percent the thing is at a UFO

850
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:00,070
convention you're preaching to the choir

851
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:04,980
right right okay so I saw some other

852
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:07,470
surveys that were done one by the

853
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,850
National Geographic another one was done

854
00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:12,640
by Fox Pictures last year and the best

855
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:14,500
number we're coming up with was what a

856
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:17,320
couple of investigators suggested it

857
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:21,040
might be out around 40 or 50 one in 40

858
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:22,900
or 50 people reports what they see

859
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:26,200
alright so if we're averaging take a

860
00:35:32,070 --> 00:35:29,920
number like in 2001 the reported numbers

861
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:32,080
were about 3500 for the whole country

862
00:35:35,940 --> 00:35:34,990
that is accurate but it's a lie I'll

863
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:35,950
tell you why in a minute

864
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:39,160
now you times that by will say 50 and

865
00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:41,620
that's a hundred and seventy five

866
00:35:47,550 --> 00:35:44,590
thousand potential sightings and only

867
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:47,560
3500 got reported now you come out to

868
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:53,830
2012 or we had like of 13,500 reported

869
00:36:01,110 --> 00:35:56,440
sightings total for the country times

870
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:01,120
that by 50 and we're talking about 675

871
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:03,010
thousand sightings a year and only

872
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:04,600
twelve and thirteen thousand were

873
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:07,450
reported so also the other thing we had

874
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:09,880
to point out in the book the early years

875
00:36:17,970 --> 00:36:13,090
of the 2000s were in that tooth net 3500

876
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:17,980
4000 5000 range and a lot of talk shows

877
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,540
particularly these warning

878
00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:21,760
disc jockey shows oh it went up in three

879
00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:25,300
tiers across you know 15 years yes and

880
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:29,140
no okay if we've correlated it to people

881
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,050
having broadband mmm okay okay where

882
00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:34,000
people hit we're just starting to come

883
00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:37,630
online 99 2000 2001 we're just coming

884
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:41,110
online with Reddit regular dedicated

885
00:36:45,150 --> 00:36:43,240
broadband is that a dial-up so more

886
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:45,160
people had the ability to report these

887
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:48,220
things and then about mid 2000s around

888
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:52,930
2005 to about 2008 it makes another jump

889
00:36:58,110 --> 00:36:55,690
up well more people in the burbs started

890
00:37:00,810 --> 00:36:58,120
getting it and then when you got out

891
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:00,820
towards the late 2000s from about 2010

892
00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:03,910
to about 2015 just about everybody has

893
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:05,620
broadband except for some rural areas

894
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:09,520
right so so we extrapolate back and say

895
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:12,540
we think we've been averaging around

896
00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:16,240
700,000 sightings a year Paul PI that's

897
00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:19,480
an approximate between about 575 and

898
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:21,940
about 850,000 but right now we're saying

899
00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:25,330
if our guess is about 750,000 sightings

900
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:28,540
a year and only about 10 or 12,000 are

901
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:30,850
being reported in reality show it's just

902
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:32,740
a number but when you think about that

903
00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:35,560
like that's so many people seeing

904
00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:37,960
something in the sky in so many skeptics

905
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:39,820
and debunker saying there's nothing up

906
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:41,650
there but conventional aircraft I mean

907
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:44,620
that's insane to think that on average

908
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:45,940
there's that amount of sightings per

909
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:48,690
year yeah but okay let's take that

910
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:51,250
675,000 number okay yeah

911
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:55,180
times point zero four four percent the

912
00:37:59,820 --> 00:37:57,130
most conservative guys guys like Ben

913
00:38:02,280 --> 00:37:59,830
moss hit chief investigator for MUFON

914
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:02,290
Virginia okay he's one of the more

915
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:05,350
conservative guys the range of people to

916
00:38:09,210 --> 00:38:07,210
say the amount of sightings out there

917
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:09,220
which ones are the real thing comes down

918
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:11,830
to somewhere between 4 and 20 percent

919
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:14,290
which the really strong investigators

920
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:16,870
will say between 4 and 7 percent I went

921
00:38:24,180 --> 00:38:20,470
with 7 percent Ben tells you for ok ok

922
00:38:27,930 --> 00:38:24,190
that 200 is 675 thousand four percent

923
00:38:30,270 --> 00:38:27,940
works out to about 27,000 were maybe the

924
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:30,280
real thing but remember that's a guess

925
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:32,110
rhaggy they can all be the real thing

926
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:32,600
for all

927
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:34,910
we know you know and then if you take

928
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:38,060
that 27,000 and divide it by 15 years

929
00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:41,720
that's about 1800 a year and this is

930
00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:43,580
this is this is although that four

931
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:47,500
percent okay and then you divide that by

932
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:50,840
12 which is monthly that means it's in

933
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:52,280
the United States there's about a

934
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:54,470
hundred and fifty of these biblical

935
00:39:01,540 --> 00:38:58,250
events happening a year in fact if you

936
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:01,550
divided that happening a year yeah yeah

937
00:39:05,620 --> 00:39:03,890
and then if you divide that by 12 you're

938
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:05,630
dealing with you're dealing with hominid

939
00:39:09,970 --> 00:39:08,090
that you got per month it's still a

940
00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:09,980
staggering number and that's using the

941
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:12,260
most conservative number that any of the

942
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:14,690
investigators gave me right well I'm

943
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:16,460
glad that you know you went that way

944
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:17,750
with the most conservative cuz it's

945
00:39:23,290 --> 00:39:20,450
still overwhelming to listen to that for

946
00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:23,300
you I mean in my book we I we we said it

947
00:39:30,030 --> 00:39:26,600
was 7% yeah book yeah and and some of

948
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:30,040
your your radio talk hosts that you know

949
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:32,390
still want to be consoled that maybe

950
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:34,910
they're not real yeah we'll say well in

951
00:39:38,890 --> 00:39:36,470
her book she says ninety-seven percent

952
00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:38,900
or misidentified and and I didn't say

953
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:41,480
that I said that 7 percent is what the

954
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:43,670
experts tell me I'm not sure what is

955
00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:47,270
misidentified right so who knows yeah

956
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:49,640
who knows I mean well let's go with the

957
00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:52,270
data right now it shows so we've got

958
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:54,920
okay because you sent me something in

959
00:40:00,700 --> 00:39:56,990
the mail there and you quoted that you

960
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:00,710
were calling quoting cities cities city

961
00:40:06,610 --> 00:40:04,250
cities yes yeah okay so there's a big

962
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:06,620
difference okay this is what blows

963
00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:09,470
everybody socks off okay the top five

964
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:12,830
states California fifteen thousand eight

965
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:15,110
hundred thirty six Florida seven

966
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:16,820
thousand seven hundred eighty seven I

967
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:18,230
can do that roll that one off the top of

968
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,010
my head hit me in in my pajamas Texas

969
00:40:31,420 --> 00:40:26,000
seven thousand fifty-eight Washington

970
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:31,430
state 5226 Pennsylvania 51 seventy six

971
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:32,900
and of course we gotta say New York it's

972
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:34,970
number six in the country fifty one

973
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:37,970
forty one okay now that's that's the

974
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,110
that's the the states now what's

975
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,960
important because we at a county data we

976
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:46,400
can tell you what the counties

977
00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:49,100
right and that is a very different

978
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,270
animal and explain why okay now counties

979
00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:55,040
where do you where do you think the most

980
00:41:01,240 --> 00:40:58,940
most populous county for UFOs is 3,000

981
00:41:03,340 --> 00:41:01,250
counties over 3,000 counties in the

982
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:03,350
United States hmm

983
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,770
I'm gonna say I want to say like one of

984
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,200
the coasts for sure I don't know if I'm

985
00:41:14,110 --> 00:41:10,880
way off on that but I I don't know I

986
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:14,120
have no idea to be honest okay Los

987
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:16,790
Angeles County no talk law said we're

988
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:18,650
not talking Los Angeles City we're

989
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:20,750
talking Los Angeles County which is

990
00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:25,730
considerably bigger area okay 3212 now

991
00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:29,480
that number is more than 40 of the

992
00:41:35,530 --> 00:41:32,150
individual states by themselves for

993
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:35,540
their site one County okay

994
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:38,450
now the second most proper County for

995
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:40,580
UFO sightings now in our book we say

996
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:44,990
it's 2019 but after the book came out we

997
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:48,800
found out that over 500 sightings the

998
00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:52,970
people spelled phoenix wrong okay yeah

999
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:55,100
and I do that myself sometimes instead

1000
00:42:00,670 --> 00:41:58,490
smelling at pH o e they did it EEO and

1001
00:42:03,610 --> 00:42:00,680
we didn't count them now if we were to

1002
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:03,620
put that same chart out now it'd be

1003
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:08,450
about 25 25 63 about 2500 okay okay

1004
00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:09,850
that's Maricopa County Arizona

1005
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:13,790
essentially Phoenix okay okay now and

1006
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:15,890
then Cook County Illinois okay to

1007
00:42:22,270 --> 00:42:19,430
Chicago area sannio California in King

1008
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:22,280
County Washington State now those are

1009
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:24,590
the top five counties now you and your

1010
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:28,610
note you noted my cities Phoenix is the

1011
00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:31,130
number one city for sightings in the

1012
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:33,860
United States right followed by Las

1013
00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:36,680
Vegas now Las Vegas as a state came in

1014
00:42:40,510 --> 00:42:39,230
about number 26 and I got all kinds of

1015
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:40,520
hate me on what the book came out for

1016
00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:47,090
people and you Nevada yeah area 51 fans

1017
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,600
Oh Addison oh god they hammered me okay

1018
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:52,640
but the consoling factor for them was

1019
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:54,470
Las Vegas came in number two

1020
00:42:59,340 --> 00:42:57,290
Seattle came in number three Chicago

1021
00:43:02,250 --> 00:42:59,350
number four in Portland

1022
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:02,260
in number five and I don't even think

1023
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:03,100
that's correct

1024
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:05,290
come to think of it Portland is not

1025
00:43:10,020 --> 00:43:07,810
correct because we found out that

1026
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:10,030
there's a dozen Portland's and they all

1027
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:12,670
added up when we did the spreadsheet so

1028
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,070
what we have since taken that out we

1029
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:17,200
found we didn't have another City and

1030
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,730
off the top of my head I'm not drawing

1031
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:21,520
what it is I think it spits no it's

1032
00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:24,220
Philadelphia Philadelphia so that gives

1033
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,200
you an idea just because a state head

1034
00:43:30,570 --> 00:43:28,240
the majority of the sightings doesn't

1035
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,580
mean that their cities necessarily have

1036
00:43:35,850 --> 00:43:33,040
them the other thing that came up out of

1037
00:43:38,370 --> 00:43:35,860
all of that was people asked me what

1038
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:38,380
about Maricopa County and Los Angeles

1039
00:43:42,330 --> 00:43:40,510
County why do they have so many yeah

1040
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:42,340
that's my question okay that's where I

1041
00:43:47,310 --> 00:43:44,410
live right now we have a theory about

1042
00:43:48,990 --> 00:43:47,320
this okay okay I saw in fact I didn't

1043
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:49,000
even know this until I was watching you

1044
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:50,440
know one of our you know upper channel

1045
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,450
um UFO documentary okay Los Angeles he

1046
00:44:00,930 --> 00:43:58,480
has had UFO sightings since before we

1047
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:00,940
had manned flight back in the 1880s

1048
00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:02,830
these things flying up and down the

1049
00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:06,910
valleys all right now then in February

1050
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:10,990
of 1942 they had the they had the Battle

1051
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,200
of LA right and so what we figured there

1052
00:44:18,180 --> 00:44:16,480
was grandpas and everybody telling their

1053
00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:18,190
kids and their grandkids you know about

1054
00:44:22,350 --> 00:44:20,350
all the stuff we used to see and then we

1055
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,360
had the peddle of LA when twelve hundred

1056
00:44:28,340 --> 00:44:24,880
artillery shells and oh my god you know

1057
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:28,350
and it became a cultural phenomena and

1058
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:31,150
people sort of just became conditioned

1059
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:32,920
to look up maybe we'll see something

1060
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:34,510
cool kind of backed it up

1061
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:38,290
Maricopa County 20 years ago Phoenix

1062
00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:41,620
lights you know to football field long

1063
00:44:46,650 --> 00:44:43,540
triangles going over blotting out the

1064
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:46,660
Stars and what do we got we got the same

1065
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:49,000
thing we got people the kids up parents

1066
00:44:51,420 --> 00:44:50,950
telling their kids you know this is what

1067
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:51,430
we saw

1068
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:52,810
20 years ago before you were born

1069
00:44:56,370 --> 00:44:54,670
everything and everybody's looking up

1070
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:56,380
and that's what we think is going on we

1071
00:45:00,300 --> 00:44:58,630
think it's a cultural phenomena mm-hmm

1072
00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:00,310
yeah yeah absolutely

1073
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:01,840
I could definitely see that and I mean

1074
00:45:05,490 --> 00:45:03,670
there's so many variables when it comes

1075
00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:05,500
to in terms of like the amount of

1076
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:07,480
sightings being reported things being

1077
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:08,920
cited and one of the things I found

1078
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:10,750
interesting in other interviews that

1079
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:12,220
you've brought up Cheryl is the idea of

1080
00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:12,880
weather

1081
00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:14,740
being a big factor in all this you know

1082
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:16,840
in terms of like climate and how clear

1083
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:18,670
the skies are what time of the day it is

1084
00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:21,130
like these all factored into this so I

1085
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:22,990
know that Linda discovered that yeah

1086
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:24,310
yeah I would love to hear what you guys

1087
00:45:29,130 --> 00:45:26,710
sort of tripped on upon with my came to

1088
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:29,140
that aspect we had already done the

1089
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:30,130
charts of graphs

1090
00:45:34,980 --> 00:45:32,410
okay I had all these objects all on a

1091
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:34,990
big disk for and she was laying out the

1092
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:37,030
book and we were doing this like the New

1093
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:39,070
York Times reported in our sewing room

1094
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:41,050
we had a very big sewing room and up

1095
00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:42,550
there in Strathmore from the big house

1096
00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:46,540
that we ran yep okay just few blocks

1097
00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:48,070
away actually small world

1098
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:51,070
its small world the room we were in was

1099
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:52,960
the UH was the warmest room in the house

1100
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:54,370
and that's where we put out kind of like

1101
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:56,080
an upstairs parlor we had her sewing

1102
00:45:59,580 --> 00:45:57,640
machines up there and everything

1103
00:46:01,770 --> 00:45:59,590
of course we're the Day Afternoon near

1104
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:01,780
Times article reported that we had all

1105
00:46:05,550 --> 00:46:03,790
of our computers in our sewing room and

1106
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:05,560
he described it with like many sewing

1107
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:08,170
machines and cutting tables folk mango

1108
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:10,390
calm published an article about UFOs

1109
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,730
essentially ripping off the LA Times

1110
00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:14,800
article was made a pretty girl you know

1111
00:46:19,590 --> 00:46:16,840
lovely dress staring off into space you

1112
00:46:22,980 --> 00:46:19,600
know and it was a cute article and if

1113
00:46:25,020 --> 00:46:22,990
you google kupo com UFO you'll probably

1114
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:25,030
find it's still out there I'm gonna do

1115
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,700
that we were looking Linda looked up

1116
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:29,440
over her terminal I was writing the knee

1117
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:31,840
the analysis chapters was the last thing

1118
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:34,090
we did and I was writing that and she

1119
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:36,670
says Cheryl did you notice that there's

1120
00:46:41,610 --> 00:46:39,250
a latitude issue with the with the

1121
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:41,620
monthly charts I said what now

1122
00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:43,170
I had originally been told by several

1123
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,920
investigators from New York State

1124
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:47,200
I just chart where I did UFOs by month

1125
00:46:50,970 --> 00:46:49,540
January through December and everybody

1126
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:50,980
thought it was a stupid chart why are

1127
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:52,660
you gonna bother to put it in the book

1128
00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:55,000
that was the attitude but we decided to

1129
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,920
put it in there anyway as it turned out

1130
00:47:00,600 --> 00:46:58,480
if you're up in the New England states

1131
00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:00,610
or New York state and go all the way

1132
00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:02,440
across Michigan all those northern

1133
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:03,940
states right there on the Canadian

1134
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:06,370
border going down into Pennsylvania if

1135
00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:08,290
there's a quiescent number January

1136
00:47:14,130 --> 00:47:11,380
through about May it starts to take up a

1137
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:14,140
little bit June than July and there's a

1138
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:15,910
little peak July in August or through

1139
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:18,280
the roof and then starts ticking back

1140
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:20,590
down again in September not in October

1141
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:22,180
November December I backed out of this

1142
00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:26,050
quiescent level some basic level okay

1143
00:47:30,180 --> 00:47:28,060
and it's a consistent basic level not

1144
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:30,190
now who so who are those people those

1145
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:32,890
are the dog walkers and smokers either

1146
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:35,250
under day-in day-out rain or shine and

1147
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:37,480
MUFON investigators when they're looking

1148
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:40,330
at a month's worth of UFO sightings the

1149
00:47:46,110 --> 00:47:42,850
first thing they tell me they scan for

1150
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:46,120
is smokers and dogs because those people

1151
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,910
are out day in day out they know what

1152
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:50,800
the skies like and they know what's not

1153
00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:54,790
normal so I looked at the chart in Lynda

1154
00:47:58,590 --> 00:47:56,740
shows me a chart like from Maryland and

1155
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:58,600
then a couple samples all the way across

1156
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:00,910
on this roughly the same latitude going

1157
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:01,990
across the country all the way to

1158
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:04,120
California and we see that peak is

1159
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:06,430
coming down that middle peak in July

1160
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:09,370
June July August is coming down it's

1161
00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:11,320
flattening when we get into Deep South

1162
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:14,110
States it's statistically flat those

1163
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,540
power chargers statistically plant all

1164
00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:17,920
their bumpy but they're statistically

1165
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:21,070
flat and what we came out of this was

1166
00:48:26,370 --> 00:48:24,850
temperate weather and leisure time now

1167
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:26,380
how did we come up with leisure time

1168
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:27,940
have you ever heard of the winds the

1169
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:31,240
effect with John keel very very little

1170
00:48:36,020 --> 00:48:33,250
but I am a little familiar with it yet

1171
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:36,030
please examine back in the mid-1970s

1172
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:38,770
John Keating the late John keel he is

1173
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:40,630
the author of the Mothman Prophecies

1174
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:44,290
though most people will know that ok ok

1175
00:48:50,430 --> 00:48:48,160
he had about 800 to 1,000 punch cards

1176
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:50,440
with UFO sighting information on them

1177
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:52,570
they randomly he got some professor at a

1178
00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:54,850
university out in Colorado someplace to

1179
00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:56,830
run them two windows big you know

1180
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:59,410
warehouse size you know 360 computers

1181
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:01,420
they had in those days right and they

1182
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:03,190
came up that all the sightings were on

1183
00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:05,050
the majority the settings around

1184
00:49:09,450 --> 00:49:05,800
Wednesday

1185
00:49:12,060 --> 00:49:09,460
hence 40 year for 40 years we had the

1186
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:12,070
Wednesday effect everybody said oh the

1187
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:13,720
UFOs are all on Wednesdays

1188
00:49:19,470 --> 00:49:17,110
he suffered from a small data set here

1189
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:19,480
we are in the 21st century we believe in

1190
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:23,530
big data big data tells us big trends so

1191
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,930
we crunched those same numbers it came

1192
00:49:30,660 --> 00:49:28,960
up before we put the book out and when I

1193
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:30,670
was talking to some people on Facebook

1194
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,470
couple researchers reached out to me and

1195
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:34,000
said what about the winds the effect you

1196
00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:36,060
know and we ran the numbers and

1197
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:37,300
son-of-a-gun

1198
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:39,370
it's statistically flat during the

1199
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:39,730
weekend

1200
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:41,560
bumpy but it's statistically flat during

1201
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:43,810
a week starts to tick up on Friday goes

1202
00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:45,609
through the roof a little bit on about

1203
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:47,800
nine nine seven to nine percent on

1204
00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:50,260
Saturday night and on Saturday and then

1205
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:52,600
it ticks back down on Sunday to about

1206
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:54,190
what Friday was but it's still

1207
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,410
statistically above the rest of the week

1208
00:50:01,050 --> 00:49:58,480
in most states now there's a couple

1209
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:01,060
places in the southwest like Colorado

1210
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:03,130
where it does take up a little bit more

1211
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:05,770
on Wednesdays for some reason but not it

1212
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:08,170
does not surpass the Friday Saturday

1213
00:50:15,180 --> 00:50:11,740
night numbers so that we discovered that

1214
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:15,190
the weekends when people are off that

1215
00:50:19,260 --> 00:50:17,710
makes it well yeah yeah okay now the

1216
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:19,270
only thing place that this kind of got

1217
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:21,490
goofy she went down to Florida Deep

1218
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:23,800
South States to mystical e-flat except

1219
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,310
for one thing January and December were

1220
00:50:35,220 --> 00:50:30,240
spiked okay okay

1221
00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:35,230
snowbirds down the Florida all clear

1222
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,540
blue skies that's warm hey Harvey look

1223
00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:39,280
at that you know I mean that's what a

1224
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:43,300
POI found too you go to Hawaii and you

1225
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:46,900
see these spikes four times I went to a

1226
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:49,240
travel agency and said does this look

1227
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:50,950
anything familiar to you and he said

1228
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:54,220
yeah those are those are tourist cycles

1229
00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:55,090
okay

1230
00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:56,680
and again they get out there in the

1231
00:51:02,370 --> 00:50:59,530
islands clear blue sky a clear dark sky

1232
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:02,380
and in the Pacific Ocean and oh my god

1233
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:05,650
what's that you know now Alaska I had a

1234
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,040
an Alaskan MUFON investigator talked to

1235
00:51:13,770 --> 00:51:10,960
me at the convention we had a nice long

1236
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:13,780
chat because Alaska all the sightings

1237
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:17,530
are in January February March April May

1238
00:51:24,570 --> 00:51:22,210
June July is like in the dirt and that

1239
00:51:26,849 --> 00:51:24,580
starts going back up again well what's

1240
00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:26,859
the deal well first thing I figured out

1241
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:29,320
having worked up in those latitudes at

1242
00:51:33,330 --> 00:51:30,930
one point when I was in the military

1243
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:33,340
they suffer from a thing called White

1244
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:35,470
Nights where it's dark six months out of

1245
00:51:40,349 --> 00:51:38,050
the year it's also very light a number

1246
00:51:42,270 --> 00:51:40,359
of months out of the year right okay so

1247
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:42,280
it doesn't get dark when do people see

1248
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:45,010
UFOs predominantly when it's dark they

1249
00:51:49,930 --> 00:51:47,050
see something shiny going across the sky

1250
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:49,940
yeah so that's why when you look at

1251
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,480
the Alaskan monthly chart it you get

1252
00:51:57,069 --> 00:51:55,280
January through December in Inc this

1253
00:51:58,990 --> 00:51:57,079
thing goes over and goes down to a dip

1254
00:52:01,300 --> 00:51:59,000
right in the middle on January August

1255
00:52:04,180 --> 00:52:01,310
our July August punk rock and I get a

1256
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:04,190
move on Alaskan investigator backing up

1257
00:52:09,250 --> 00:52:07,609
on that that makes sense yeah Wow we

1258
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:09,260
didn't know that we plotted the numbers

1259
00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:11,569
exactly and again you know proving the

1260
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:13,640
point that the numbers do not lie I mean

1261
00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:15,710
that's that's really interesting and

1262
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:17,630
those again are variable as people don't

1263
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:19,970
think about and another one I found

1264
00:52:24,819 --> 00:52:22,790
really interesting was um okay so we all

1265
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:24,829
know about Pine Bush you know everything

1266
00:52:29,770 --> 00:52:26,630
that happened in the Hudson Valley area

1267
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:29,780
huge cortical flap at one point so of

1268
00:52:34,030 --> 00:52:31,609
course that's gonna be a huge number a

1269
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,040
hotbed right but you actually found that

1270
00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:36,020
that's not really the case in terms of

1271
00:52:39,790 --> 00:52:38,420
the surrounding areas in New York State

1272
00:52:42,970 --> 00:52:39,800
could you touch on that a little bit

1273
00:52:45,099 --> 00:52:42,980
yeah I'm I'm supposed to speak in Pine

1274
00:52:48,609 --> 00:52:45,109
Bush this coming May I'll probably get

1275
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:48,619
wound there were five other counties in

1276
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,630
farming were citing some languished it

1277
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:53,119
and I went knowing Ron's with a bunch of

1278
00:52:58,599 --> 00:52:54,890
people I wrote an article about it in my

1279
00:53:00,339 --> 00:52:58,609
column what kinds of eight month but we

1280
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:00,349
had five thousand people see that

1281
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,510
sightings yeah but that particular

1282
00:53:06,579 --> 00:53:04,160
sighting on that day that's five

1283
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:06,589
thousand people seeing the same sighting

1284
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:08,540
I don't count that it's five thousand

1285
00:53:14,829 --> 00:53:11,990
sightings I see that as one event yeah

1286
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:14,839
right exactly exactly and I'm do you

1287
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:16,430
want that all these five thousand people

1288
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,290
report these things in youth work remove

1289
00:53:22,809 --> 00:53:20,720
oh they're crap okay it's fine that

1290
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:22,819
doesn't if you don't report it I can't

1291
00:53:28,750 --> 00:53:26,210
count it yeah exactly you know and so I

1292
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:28,760
run up against this one in New York

1293
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:33,680
State the major places for sighting UFOs

1294
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:35,390
in New York City it's Suffolk County

1295
00:53:42,910 --> 00:53:38,920
Long Island interesting Montauk Point

1296
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,920
yeah and then it's a when it's New York

1297
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:45,680
County which is essentially Manhattan

1298
00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:49,280
and then Erie County and then number

1299
00:53:55,329 --> 00:53:53,000
four is Nassau County Long so Long

1300
00:53:57,579 --> 00:53:55,339
Island itself is not you know over a

1301
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:57,589
thousand saw almost a thousand sightings

1302
00:54:02,850 --> 00:53:59,450
in it fifteen year period just in those

1303
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:02,860
two planes right so that's a big deal

1304
00:54:06,690 --> 00:54:04,990
and I'd been writing about Long Island

1305
00:54:08,130 --> 00:54:06,700
for a long time in fact I identified the

1306
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:08,140
thing down there called the Great River

1307
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:11,410
River triangle there was a cluster at

1308
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:14,110
the Great River Inlet and it seemed to

1309
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:15,850
be kind of a trial and I called it the

1310
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:19,600
Great River triangle but it was more of

1311
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:21,580
a journalistic I needed a good headlong

1312
00:54:29,340 --> 00:54:27,130
but Miss New York now now let's go one

1313
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:29,350
more step further where are all the

1314
00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:32,220
sightings in New York State nineteen

1315
00:54:39,450 --> 00:54:35,980
percent of New York state's 5141

1316
00:54:41,340 --> 00:54:39,460
sightings follow from st. Lawrence

1317
00:54:43,590 --> 00:54:41,350
County up on the st. Lawrence Seaway all

1318
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:43,600
the way across Lake Ontario and down to

1319
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:47,020
into Lake Erie to the end of what they

1320
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:49,570
call the st. Lawrence Seaway right

1321
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:53,650
nineteen percent if you come down the

1322
00:54:59,700 --> 00:54:57,130
Hudson from Lake Champlain all the way

1323
00:55:01,020 --> 00:54:59,710
down the Hudson ignore along on and just

1324
00:55:04,050 --> 00:55:01,030
go to the Atlantic Ocean

1325
00:55:05,940 --> 00:55:04,060
it's thirty two percent fifty one

1326
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:05,950
percent of the sightings in New York

1327
00:55:12,060 --> 00:55:08,410
State are on those two waterways whoa

1328
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:12,070
that yeah see I mean I had my personal

1329
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:14,050
UFO sighting it's same as you at age

1330
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:16,450
twelve on the st. Lawrence River so I

1331
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:18,010
mean there's got to be something to that

1332
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:19,630
we could we could guess we could make

1333
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,970
speculations but yeah that's really

1334
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:23,680
interesting what what do you think about

1335
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:27,130
that the idea of like maybe USO is there

1336
00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:28,480
you know you know audience of water

1337
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:29,740
having something to do with it

1338
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:31,990
Canadian Navy chase the number of you uh

1339
00:55:38,070 --> 00:55:35,680
u.s. owes up to sing Lawrence Seaway and

1340
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:38,080
on to the ocean out of the bank they

1341
00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:40,180
they they they chase the number of them

1342
00:55:44,370 --> 00:55:42,820
you just google Canadian Navy USO is

1343
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:44,380
you'll find stories out there in the

1344
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:47,170
internet what we did find them remember

1345
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:48,160
I was telling you about

1346
00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:50,080
we found the result Lake Ontario effect

1347
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:52,420
yes you put the county data to it we

1348
00:55:56,850 --> 00:55:54,580
found out that there was almost as many

1349
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:56,860
sightings in Monroe County essentially

1350
00:56:01,290 --> 00:55:59,680
the Rochester area as her work out and

1351
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:01,300
then the Agri front here in Erie County

1352
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:04,540
area almost as many sightings okay

1353
00:56:09,930 --> 00:56:07,600
and a little bit of research back in the

1354
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:09,940
nineteenth century even going back into

1355
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:13,390
the 18th century 1700s they talked about

1356
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:15,640
there was a people thought that there

1357
00:56:18,609 --> 00:56:16,430
was ever

1358
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:18,619
that there was a and I got this from the

1359
00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:20,930
Canadians this is not an American set I

1360
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:22,760
got this from the Canadian side there's

1361
00:56:28,269 --> 00:56:26,240
a lower Lord says that they have

1362
00:56:29,769 --> 00:56:28,279
suspected that there's a civilization

1363
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:29,779
living under in fact the Native

1364
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:31,670
Americans say this there's a

1365
00:56:37,299 --> 00:56:33,730
civilization living under Lake Ontario

1366
00:56:39,609 --> 00:56:37,309
mmm interesting yeah yeah you know so

1367
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,619
that raises all kinds of here is on the

1368
00:56:42,819 --> 00:56:42,079
back of your neck yeah so that's that's

1369
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,829
part of it

1370
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:44,480
now if you add him to the Finger Lakes

1371
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:47,930
no one individual Finger Lakes Lake area

1372
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:51,410
he had anything that stuck out by itself

1373
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:53,450
in fact they were rather lackluster who

1374
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:56,210
just looked at a county on the Seneca

1375
00:56:59,170 --> 00:56:57,260
Lake or something like that

1376
00:57:00,700 --> 00:56:59,180
right and there's usually a county on

1377
00:57:03,010 --> 00:57:00,710
one side and the county on the other

1378
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:03,020
side you know it means these things go

1379
00:57:07,529 --> 00:57:05,510
up 22 miles and just border between Duke

1380
00:57:11,380 --> 00:57:07,539
counties but when you took the entire

1381
00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:11,390
Finger Lakes region as the state defines

1382
00:57:19,779 --> 00:57:15,260
it and count those counties you come up

1383
00:57:22,359 --> 00:57:19,789
with another 27 maybe 30 percent so God

1384
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:22,369
does that mean that 70 percent of the

1385
00:57:27,010 --> 00:57:24,650
sightings in New York State are around

1386
00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:27,020
major bodies of water that's a really

1387
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,420
good question it rattles you to think

1388
00:57:33,730 --> 00:57:31,760
about it yeah there's gotta be something

1389
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:33,740
to it now you you brought up a question

1390
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:36,950
about time of day yes okay yeah we

1391
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:39,650
didn't really have data on that person

1392
00:57:43,180 --> 00:57:41,720
we have it but we don't have it you know

1393
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:43,190
first thing when we got done with the

1394
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:45,650
database we had County the state date we

1395
00:57:51,279 --> 00:57:49,130
had national state and county data we

1396
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:51,289
could have taken it a step further and

1397
00:57:57,339 --> 00:57:54,410
given us a municipal city breakdown per

1398
00:58:00,370 --> 00:57:57,349
County the problem was it would have

1399
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:00,380
made our book about 900 pages it would

1400
00:58:04,420 --> 00:58:01,609
have been like one of these unabridged

1401
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:04,430
dictionary right and the two and a half

1402
00:58:10,269 --> 00:58:05,839
pound book by itself right now is a

1403
00:58:11,650 --> 00:58:10,279
lethal weapon it also and so we said no

1404
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:11,660
we're not gonna bother plus it would

1405
00:58:15,849 --> 00:58:13,490
have probably added about another eight

1406
00:58:18,099 --> 00:58:15,859
months for us to complete the book and

1407
00:58:19,690 --> 00:58:18,109
we wanted to get it out there so the

1408
00:58:23,049 --> 00:58:19,700
problem was people don't spell the

1409
00:58:26,109 --> 00:58:23,059
city's rate so we since we can't just

1410
00:58:28,809 --> 00:58:26,119
easily do a fix on the spelling I've had

1411
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:28,819
to go a few hundred sightings a day

1412
00:58:31,819 --> 00:58:29,640
maybe

1413
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:31,829
half hour to an hour day for my eyes go

1414
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:35,000
crossed and I have to literally touch

1415
00:58:42,019 --> 00:58:38,760
every single record of a hundred and

1416
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:42,029
twenty-one thousand records to make sure

1417
00:58:46,339 --> 00:58:44,250
the cities are correctly spelled yeah

1418
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:46,349
now that's easy because once you get

1419
00:58:50,620 --> 00:58:48,450
down so you get a stretch of two dozen

1420
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:50,630
cities or something like the same name

1421
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,730
you look you look at the best spelling

1422
00:58:58,009 --> 00:58:56,400
there and the most common spelling and

1423
00:59:00,380 --> 00:58:58,019
then you and also look at the fact that

1424
00:59:02,509 --> 00:59:00,390
the people might have the wrong cases in

1425
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,519
there that everything on people letters

1426
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,319
are all small letters and you pick one

1427
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,960
that's the proper case of a capital

1428
00:59:10,339 --> 00:59:08,640
letter in all lowercase letters and you

1429
00:59:12,259 --> 00:59:10,349
just kind of drag and drop it in you

1430
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:12,269
know it's not a big deal but it takes

1431
00:59:19,099 --> 00:59:16,890
time in it's tedious work so okay here's

1432
00:59:23,029 --> 00:59:19,109
where I am right now Linda and I are

1433
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:23,039
talking about putting out several books

1434
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,010
one cities directory and the cities

1435
00:59:32,539 --> 00:59:28,319
directory has none of the charts and

1436
00:59:34,579 --> 00:59:32,549
tables but has a breakdown by state to

1437
00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:34,589
the county level alphabetically and

1438
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:38,180
under each county a breakdown of all the

1439
00:59:42,019 --> 00:59:40,200
municipalities in that county so say a

1440
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:42,029
county hits seventy five sightings over

1441
00:59:46,249 --> 00:59:44,250
the fifteen year period we can give you

1442
00:59:48,259 --> 00:59:46,259
a list of whatever maybe it might be

1443
00:59:50,539 --> 00:59:48,269
five count it might be five cities and

1444
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:50,549
villages that everything or it might be

1445
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:52,500
twenty five or thirty you know and it

1446
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,049
has a breakdown now we did this for a

1447
00:59:59,509 --> 00:59:57,359
couple of journalists Philadelphia up

1448
01:00:01,009 --> 00:59:59,519
newspaper asked us for this kind of

1449
01:00:02,890 --> 01:00:01,019
information so we went in and just

1450
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:02,900
cleaned up the Philadelphia area

1451
01:00:07,789 --> 01:00:05,490
spelling so gave his mornings where you

1452
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:07,799
know a couple hours worth of work we did

1453
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:11,130
the same thing for Cook County and the

1454
01:00:15,799 --> 01:00:12,930
county just below cooked lining like

1455
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:15,809
time slips in my mind right now and we

1456
01:00:19,249 --> 01:00:17,490
did it for a newspaper out there in the

1457
01:00:21,529 --> 01:00:19,259
Chicago area that one didn't know what

1458
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:21,539
the municipal breakdown was and as a

1459
01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:23,339
reporter would come to me I would I

1460
01:00:27,710 --> 01:00:25,559
would look at the scale of it it was if

1461
01:00:29,509 --> 01:00:27,720
it was a easy thing to do in an hour or

1462
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,519
two I would do it for them but what

1463
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:30,960
we're hoping to be able to do is put out

1464
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:33,569
what we call a city desk reference where

1465
01:00:37,490 --> 01:00:35,700
you can look up a state pick a county

1466
01:00:39,259 --> 01:00:37,500
and it goes right down to the municipal

1467
01:00:42,019 --> 01:00:39,269
level in that area we have it broken

1468
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:42,029
down for all C and Y right now I do it

1469
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,690
present

1470
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:45,599
when I do talks here and an entire

1471
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:48,420
county is in the center of the state has

1472
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,079
the most sightings in this area we are a

1473
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:54,660
hundred and sixty-one for the 15 year

1474
01:01:00,680 --> 01:00:57,180
period if you go back all palm all the

1475
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:00,690
way back to 1890 we have a over during

1476
01:01:06,260 --> 01:01:03,780
that 15 from 2015 all the way back to

1477
01:01:08,780 --> 01:01:06,270
1890 there's about a hundred and

1478
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:08,790
ninety-one to two hundred sightings told

1479
01:01:14,059 --> 01:01:11,220
and that's a that's a lot for a single

1480
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:14,069
County yeah see that's what's cool I

1481
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:16,440
mean that's the county I grew up in my

1482
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:18,569
entire life and that's that's a sense of

1483
01:01:22,550 --> 01:01:20,490
pride to hear that that I had like the

1484
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:22,560
most in that area and I think that's

1485
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:23,790
what's really interesting about your

1486
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:26,460
book to Cheryl is that every county

1487
01:01:30,290 --> 01:01:27,930
every city every state you know they

1488
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:30,300
take pride in hearing these numbers and

1489
01:01:34,790 --> 01:01:32,099
I think that's why it got so much

1490
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,800
attention when it came out every you

1491
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:36,480
know newspaper was picking this up and

1492
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,160
making it you know kind of making it

1493
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,200
their own which was really interesting

1494
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:42,420
and I can imagine pretty tough for you

1495
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:44,819
you too as well having that kind of like

1496
01:01:51,260 --> 01:01:48,599
cater to each city stay had just retired

1497
01:01:53,089 --> 01:01:51,270
a couple of months before yeah the book

1498
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:53,099
came out in March and we just started

1499
01:01:57,050 --> 01:01:54,390
getting a little bit of press and then

1500
01:01:58,700 --> 01:01:57,060
New York Times guy came up around

1501
01:02:01,550 --> 01:01:58,710
blowing talk one of the guys who wrote

1502
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:01,560
the December 16th 2017 articles yeah

1503
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,560
yeah okay and he can't he literally came

1504
01:02:10,790 --> 01:02:07,680
up on the train and pick a hotel room

1505
01:02:13,339 --> 01:02:10,800
and spent a day with us in our front

1506
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:13,349
room there in Strathmore we don't live

1507
01:02:17,569 --> 01:02:13,859
there now

1508
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,579
but he spent a day with me a four or

1509
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,920
five hours reading me Linda came home

1510
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,839
from work he spent another three four

1511
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:24,000
five hours vetting her and then we

1512
01:02:30,250 --> 01:02:26,250
packed up went down to Kitty points and

1513
01:02:33,130 --> 01:02:30,260
he had dinner and drank the evening but

1514
01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:33,140
and talked to evening aways they say and

1515
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:35,940
the bottom line was you know he was just

1516
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,250
blown away and so was this editors and

1517
01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:40,079
that's why there's been this shift that

1518
01:02:44,359 --> 01:02:42,180
they're actually doing serious research

1519
01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:44,369
and the stuff now and trying to break

1520
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:46,619
this whole disclosure thing down and I'm

1521
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:48,839
pleased that Lyndon I had something to

1522
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:50,690
do with getting them that's all out

1523
01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:52,619
absolutely I mean that's what a lot of

1524
01:02:56,610 --> 01:02:54,300
people don't realize is yeah like this

1525
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,620
whole Pentagon UFO program thing

1526
01:03:00,990 --> 01:02:59,440
like it's interesting and it's extremely

1527
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:01,000
like I look forward to where it's

1528
01:03:06,060 --> 01:03:03,190
heading in terms of like the way

1529
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:06,070
journalism is approaching it but a lot

1530
01:03:11,310 --> 01:03:08,170
of people don't realize that like your

1531
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:11,320
book and what you're doing sort of paved

1532
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,210
the way for that that that ridicule

1533
01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:16,000
factor had been shed already in order

1534
01:03:20,790 --> 01:03:18,100
for this pentagon story to come form yes

1535
01:03:22,770 --> 01:03:20,800
yes and a goofy thing was and then one

1536
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:22,780
of the things that they remember what

1537
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:24,970
their headline was with our article in

1538
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,750
this it's a UFO did you ever think you'd

1539
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:30,400
live to see today the New York Times

1540
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:32,560
printed a UFO article in science

1541
01:03:40,290 --> 01:03:36,850
magazine nope okay I mean I had to prick

1542
01:03:42,330 --> 01:03:40,300
myself I really did you know and the the

1543
01:03:45,690 --> 01:03:42,340
remember the title of the article was

1544
01:03:48,180 --> 01:03:45,700
people are seeing UFOs everywhere in

1545
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:48,190
this book proves it and that just

1546
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:49,930
flattered the hell out of me and Linda

1547
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:51,390
believe me it really did you know

1548
01:03:55,290 --> 01:03:53,590
absolutely now you know what's

1549
01:03:55,830 --> 01:03:55,300
interesting though with this whole thing

1550
01:03:58,380 --> 01:03:55,840
with the book

1551
01:04:01,500 --> 01:03:58,390
I've only been invited to one can get

1552
01:04:03,750 --> 01:04:01,510
one conference one convention yeah let's

1553
01:04:05,730 --> 01:04:03,760
talk about that yes really goofy I've

1554
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:05,740
had a number of them push back and say

1555
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:07,690
oh well you're just talking about data

1556
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:11,290
that's boring but you know I had two

1557
01:04:15,450 --> 01:04:12,790
thousand people rolling in the aisles

1558
01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:15,460
over there at the I UFO see because I

1559
01:04:20,430 --> 01:04:18,940
have a great deal humorous presentation

1560
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:20,440
when I'm sharing the numbers you know

1561
01:04:26,550 --> 01:04:23,110
yeah and and I made it interesting for

1562
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,560
them and it's not just drawing numbers

1563
01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:28,480
now the book has all the charm of a bank

1564
01:04:33,060 --> 01:04:30,520
ledger you have to admit this this is

1565
01:04:36,050 --> 01:04:33,070
gotta get a cup of tea and curl up with

1566
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:36,060
this book unless you're doing research

1567
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:39,310
or you're really interested in what the

1568
01:04:43,350 --> 01:04:40,990
secrets of the universe which is what

1569
01:04:46,290 --> 01:04:43,360
we've got in this book you know it's not

1570
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,300
that like my old editor rod larry

1571
01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:48,160
dietrich says this isn't exactly a

1572
01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:50,590
page-turner and I said yeah I know that

1573
01:04:55,530 --> 01:04:52,390
but remember that what the title is

1574
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:55,540
Linda specifically said we're going to

1575
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:57,520
make a reference book a book that will

1576
01:05:02,190 --> 01:04:59,050
sit in the reference section of the

1577
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:02,200
library just like the census books right

1578
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:05,410
and that was the focus and I mean again

1579
01:05:09,590 --> 01:05:07,570
like I met you at the conference and you

1580
01:05:13,590 --> 01:05:09,600
know your presentation

1581
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:13,600
2015 was it was so captivating that you

1582
01:05:18,270 --> 01:05:16,090
were the first person I I came up to

1583
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:18,280
after it and was like oh my god I want

1584
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:19,450
to learn more about your work

1585
01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:22,630
no no you know in terms of this book

1586
01:05:26,730 --> 01:05:24,790
like you're saying you know it might be

1587
01:05:28,590 --> 01:05:26,740
dry to the layman person who doesn't

1588
01:05:29,730 --> 01:05:28,600
find it entertaining but that's not like

1589
01:05:33,030 --> 01:05:29,740
you said that's not what it's about

1590
01:05:35,130 --> 01:05:33,040
it's for anyone and I'm talking like so

1591
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:35,140
you dropped off a copy of this book to

1592
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:37,690
my parents home in Syracuse so that it

1593
01:05:41,310 --> 01:05:39,130
was waiting for me when I went to visit

1594
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:41,320
them and I'm not kidding you the minute

1595
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:43,690
I walked in the door my mom of course

1596
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:46,090
gets up hugs me my dog jumps in my arms

1597
01:05:52,590 --> 01:05:48,700
my dad's sitting there you know on the

1598
01:05:54,690 --> 01:05:52,600
couch reading your book you know and he

1599
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:54,700
was like so amazed and looking at like

1600
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:56,410
oh I've been there I want to see how

1601
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,370
many sightings were there

1602
01:06:01,260 --> 01:05:59,200
oh I grew up here I want to see that

1603
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,270
like that's what it's about like the

1604
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:03,760
individual looking at these numbers and

1605
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:06,370
then the researchers using it when we

1606
01:06:10,590 --> 01:06:08,170
want to refer to something when we want

1607
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:10,600
to find out what happened where and when

1608
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:12,910
and how many like that's what this is

1609
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:16,960
but in terms of presenting this to to

1610
01:06:21,630 --> 01:06:19,210
the public Cheryl how do you think the

1611
01:06:23,070 --> 01:06:21,640
best way to go about that would be like

1612
01:06:25,350 --> 01:06:23,080
you said you've only been invited to one

1613
01:06:27,660 --> 01:06:25,360
conference that's that's ridiculous in

1614
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:27,670
my opinion especially when when they

1615
01:06:30,540 --> 01:06:30,010
hear you on interviews or they see you

1616
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:30,550
in person

1617
01:06:34,650 --> 01:06:32,710
see how animated and passionate you are

1618
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:34,660
about this stuff what do you think needs

1619
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,930
to be done to change that there's two

1620
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:39,520
schools of thought one schools of

1621
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:41,620
thought says that I'm not famous enough

1622
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:46,000
and they want a name okay and they're

1623
01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:47,830
not interested I already had a one

1624
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:50,590
prominent producer of UFO conferences

1625
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,210
tell me we're not interested in data

1626
01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:54,160
that's the most asinine thing I've ever

1627
01:06:59,880 --> 01:06:57,430
heard yeah but I you I'm not going to

1628
01:07:01,710 --> 01:06:59,890
tell you who it is on the air trust me

1629
01:07:03,390 --> 01:07:01,720
I'm not gonna tell you who it is because

1630
01:07:05,580 --> 01:07:03,400
you will you would fall off your chair

1631
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:05,590
if I told you okay you know who went

1632
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,050
bananas about this book was Stanton

1633
01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:10,960
Friedman awesome he held the damn thing

1634
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:13,420
I had a preliminary version one a couple

1635
01:07:19,940 --> 01:07:16,030
of chapters with me at the UH one of the

1636
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:19,950
cons I was a MUFON conference in 2000

1637
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:21,890
sometime before that

1638
01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:24,170
and he looked at he says my god you're

1639
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:26,390
publishing data I says is that a good

1640
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:29,450
thing yes and he stood up waving the

1641
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:31,250
papers over his head somebody's finally

1642
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:34,760
publishing the data and it was so cute

1643
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,000
you know you know the next two were

1644
01:07:42,510 --> 01:07:40,160
working on one we had this city's

1645
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:42,520
directory they had a lot of requests for

1646
01:07:48,220 --> 01:07:45,290
international information and two

1647
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:48,230
weekends ago I cleaned up the national

1648
01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:50,690
UFO Reporting Center x' international

1649
01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:53,480
data base you only hit about 8500

1650
01:07:56,890 --> 01:07:55,700
records in it but still that was pretty

1651
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:56,900
telling yeah

1652
01:08:00,940 --> 01:07:59,000
because of the way they collected they

1653
01:08:02,890 --> 01:08:00,950
didn't have like a column for cities

1654
01:08:05,470 --> 01:08:02,900
they didn't have a County for countries

1655
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:05,480
what they had was the initial field

1656
01:08:10,810 --> 01:08:07,610
would have like a city and then in

1657
01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:10,820
parenthesis the country but sometimes

1658
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:12,620
they would say the city and the

1659
01:08:18,340 --> 01:08:15,770
parenthesis near there in parentheses

1660
01:08:21,190 --> 01:08:18,350
and then parentheses the county in the

1661
01:08:22,930 --> 01:08:21,200
the country okay sometimes they didn't

1662
01:08:25,870 --> 01:08:22,940
put the parentheses in any number of

1663
01:08:27,850 --> 01:08:25,880
things there's all this extra xx verbage

1664
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:27,860
in there okay so it wasn't easy to pick

1665
01:08:29,890 --> 01:08:28,250
it out

1666
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:29,900
thank God I used to be an IT

1667
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:31,610
professional I had to say here and write

1668
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:36,110
some code in in Excel code to go in

1669
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:38,290
there and sort that out and it was about

1670
01:08:43,930 --> 01:08:41,600
mmm eighty-eight percent effective it

1671
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:43,940
cleaned up most of it and then I've had

1672
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:47,150
to go down and probably 5% I literally

1673
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:49,970
had to go through and touch about 5% of

1674
01:08:54,310 --> 01:08:52,490
every hundred of the sightings and

1675
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:54,320
they're pretty much cleaned up and I

1676
01:08:58,780 --> 01:08:57,290
made a request about two weeks ago over

1677
01:09:01,150 --> 01:08:58,790
the last two weeks the two different

1678
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,160
directors of the investigation at MUFON

1679
01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:03,440
and I specifically gone to them and said

1680
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:06,070
would you please do give me a dump of

1681
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:09,290
the International data from two thousand

1682
01:09:15,010 --> 01:09:12,380
to two thousand seventeen okay now I've

1683
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,020
done this the 2017 we're trying to do an

1684
01:09:19,390 --> 01:09:17,630
update so to speak okay and so we hope

1685
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:19,400
to have we're not going to do a lot of

1686
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:22,490
charts but we are going to do is we're

1687
01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:24,290
gonna organize in such a way and we had

1688
01:09:27,730 --> 01:09:25,910
a lot of I mean I don't want to say hate

1689
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:27,740
mail but we had a lot of serious meals

1690
01:09:31,420 --> 01:09:29,330
said why don't you make this a Kindle

1691
01:09:32,170 --> 01:09:31,430
book well the charts and graphs didn't

1692
01:09:34,180 --> 01:09:32,180
did we

1693
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:34,190
we had one Kindle book it's on my Kindle

1694
01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:35,390
looks like hell

1695
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:38,660
yeah okay it charts and graphs don't do

1696
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:40,490
well on Kindle but the way we're gonna

1697
01:09:45,130 --> 01:09:42,890
build it out for this we think we've got

1698
01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:45,140
a good model for what a Kindle book

1699
01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:46,670
should look like for a quick reference

1700
01:09:51,070 --> 01:09:49,400
book and so we've we're hoping to have

1701
01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:51,080
the city's directory in a Kindle format

1702
01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:52,670
we're hoping to have the International

1703
01:09:56,860 --> 01:09:55,460
in a Kindle format oh cool yeah see that

1704
01:09:58,960 --> 01:09:56,870
that's the kind of thing I think will

1705
01:10:01,570 --> 01:09:58,970
appeal to the younger generation a

1706
01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:01,580
little bit more because they're so you

1707
01:10:04,690 --> 01:10:03,380
know like giving them a paper book now

1708
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:04,700
and they're like what do I do with this

1709
01:10:09,730 --> 01:10:07,520
thing but in terms of that let's talk a

1710
01:10:11,770 --> 01:10:09,740
little about the UFO field in general

1711
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:11,780
Cheryl before we wrap things up here um

1712
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:15,290
the lack of attention that the data gets

1713
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:17,210
but also the lack of attention that

1714
01:10:22,570 --> 01:10:20,600
female researchers get I don't bring

1715
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:22,580
this up often on the show because like

1716
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:25,520
you know it's a very it's a boys club

1717
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:27,650
so you know I don't want to ask a guy

1718
01:10:32,530 --> 01:10:30,110
why they think that is because we don't

1719
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:32,540
experience it we don't we don't go

1720
01:10:35,860 --> 01:10:34,010
through that adversity everyday of

1721
01:10:38,770 --> 01:10:35,870
having our work scrutinized ten times

1722
01:10:41,170 --> 01:10:38,780
more than a female researcher would so

1723
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:41,180
why do you think that is and what can we

1724
01:10:48,250 --> 01:10:44,090
do to maybe alleviate that and change

1725
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:48,260
that well you know just the skin Ruth

1726
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:51,410
Bader Ginsburg was asked how many women

1727
01:10:56,230 --> 01:10:53,810
that should be on the Supreme Court she

1728
01:10:58,150 --> 01:10:56,240
was nine and and the reporter said

1729
01:11:00,220 --> 01:10:58,160
George but don't you think that's

1730
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:00,230
imbalance said nobody thought it was

1731
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:02,210
imbalance when there's all men okay

1732
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:04,130
I brought the point up to a bunch of

1733
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:06,050
people because I've heard okay I've

1734
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:07,850
heard something now we got two issues

1735
01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:11,810
going here okay we have issues of women

1736
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:14,150
not being given the time of day in the

1737
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:18,080
research we have an issue with well and

1738
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:19,870
I first started putting my data up

1739
01:11:24,820 --> 01:11:22,130
sharing some of it before we wrote the

1740
01:11:26,650 --> 01:11:24,830
book I had all kinds of trolls coming

1741
01:11:28,450 --> 01:11:26,660
and and I'm not just saying trolls I had

1742
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:28,460
all kinds of investigators coming at me

1743
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:29,690
and telling me well you didn't bet this

1744
01:11:33,820 --> 01:11:31,370
you didn't bet that okay let's talk

1745
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:33,830
about that a minute to this vet question

1746
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:35,330
I didn't go out there and bet a hundred

1747
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:37,130
twenty one thousand won I didn't have a

1748
01:11:43,570 --> 01:11:40,970
time machine and go back to 2001 okay

1749
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:43,580
but the other issue is and the point

1750
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:44,810
that I made out the people I said this

1751
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:48,050
is the era big data for how long and we

1752
01:11:50,860 --> 01:11:49,520
in the UFO community

1753
01:11:52,690 --> 01:11:50,870
all the books are out there about this

1754
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:52,700
crash of that crash it sounded like an

1755
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:55,250
FM radio station the best UFO pressures

1756
01:12:01,630 --> 01:11:58,730
on the 50s 60s and 70s you know and it

1757
01:12:03,610 --> 01:12:01,640
it got old Linda when we were talking

1758
01:12:05,290 --> 01:12:03,620
about doing this book you know again we

1759
01:12:08,230 --> 01:12:05,300
were talking over dinner and a beer and

1760
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:08,240
she said you know let's let's do

1761
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:09,950
something nobody else has done one let's

1762
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,410
add up all the numbers for one nobody's

1763
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:14,480
done that she said I went out researched

1764
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:17,210
it the only compilation there is out

1765
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:19,250
there was part of the Condon report and

1766
01:12:25,870 --> 01:12:22,790
it's what 50 years old yeah the other

1767
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:25,880
problem was she said all the books tend

1768
01:12:30,970 --> 01:12:29,870
to be centered focused on one crash or

1769
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:30,980
one incident

1770
01:12:35,770 --> 01:12:33,260
somebody's authors seem to almost own

1771
01:12:37,690 --> 01:12:35,780
those things like that that's my crash

1772
01:12:39,190 --> 01:12:37,700
you know you know and they don't want

1773
01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:39,200
anybody else to write about her England

1774
01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:40,760
didn't they won't share data you know

1775
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:43,790
and so we decided to do strictly 21st

1776
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:47,360
century data now so a reporter asked me

1777
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:49,400
this recently on a radio show he said

1778
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:51,050
but you didn't it's been said that you

1779
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,730
didn't vet these and I said I don't have

1780
01:12:56,890 --> 01:12:55,040
to they were published they were put out

1781
01:12:59,950 --> 01:12:56,900
there in those internet and the internet

1782
01:13:02,530 --> 01:12:59,960
okay it wasn't my responsibility to vet

1783
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:02,540
them I knew a certain percentage of them

1784
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:05,330
might be hoaxes but I left it in there

1785
01:13:08,980 --> 01:13:07,130
because there's a formula that says some

1786
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:08,990
percentages hoaxes and I took them out

1787
01:13:13,060 --> 01:13:10,610
it would have messed up the formula and

1788
01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:13,070
it's a very tiny amount it really is and

1789
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:16,580
then I looked at this and said okay what

1790
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:19,970
we've got here is a situation a lot of

1791
01:13:23,170 --> 01:13:21,560
people in the UFO community with the

1792
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,180
books they're writing and everything are

1793
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:26,480
looking at an anthill and they're into

1794
01:13:32,650 --> 01:13:29,030
doing individual books and Studies on an

1795
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:32,660
individual ant okay what did what did we

1796
01:13:38,020 --> 01:13:35,810
do we backed the camera back and we said

1797
01:13:40,210 --> 01:13:38,030
wow look at that pattern of all those

1798
01:13:42,970 --> 01:13:40,220
ants marching around marching around the

1799
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:42,980
the anthill that's big data yeah and

1800
01:13:48,490 --> 01:13:45,850
other sciences are using big data I

1801
01:13:50,770 --> 01:13:48,500
hears it it's not a hundred percent we

1802
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:50,780
wanted to see the trends now here's a

1803
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:53,210
discovery we got made recently and we

1804
01:13:59,380 --> 01:13:55,930
presented that this eight slides at the

1805
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,390
UFO Congress okay and this was new data

1806
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,280
at the time that I presented those

1807
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:02,960
slides the information was

1808
01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:05,690
two weeks old okay that's how new it was

1809
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:09,860
yeah we did several very low low low

1810
01:14:14,410 --> 01:14:12,370
level states and then dr. Speier did

1811
01:14:16,540 --> 01:14:14,420
California took him like four or five

1812
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,550
days his wife was about ready to divorce

1813
01:14:21,550 --> 01:14:19,040
I'm gonna have done with it oh I felt so

1814
01:14:24,970 --> 01:14:21,560
bad about this the question was this and

1815
01:14:25,780 --> 01:14:24,980
what is scientific proper method right

1816
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:25,790
right

1817
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:27,950
you ask a question that's what this is

1818
01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:30,980
about I asked a question and I said dr.

1819
01:14:36,459 --> 01:14:33,590
Spier do you have any idea whether or

1820
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:36,469
not we could convert all these times

1821
01:14:45,130 --> 01:14:42,350
we've got to start I'm satiereal time LS

1822
01:14:49,150 --> 01:14:45,140
t that the time when the gala when the

1823
01:14:51,790 --> 01:14:49,160
stars are overhead it's a 23 hour 56

1824
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:51,800
minute date it's shorter than a 24 hour

1825
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:54,770
day so a star II might be directly

1826
01:14:59,410 --> 01:14:57,110
overhead out with you today will be

1827
01:15:02,620 --> 01:14:59,420
overhead four minutes earlier tomorrow

1828
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:02,630
and four minutes early eight minutes

1829
01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:04,730
earlier the day after that okay

1830
01:15:10,590 --> 01:15:06,710
it keeps creeping back four minutes

1831
01:15:13,540 --> 01:15:10,600
every day so it's a moving target so I

1832
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:13,550
said to them is there a predominant time

1833
01:15:21,010 --> 01:15:17,050
when the UFOs are coming are being seen

1834
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:21,020
against satiereal time star time do they

1835
01:15:26,110 --> 01:15:23,570
all come do they all come when taurus is

1836
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:26,120
overhead or something statistically the

1837
01:15:30,670 --> 01:15:28,250
whole chart should have been flat it

1838
01:15:33,459 --> 01:15:30,680
should have been a bumpy statistical

1839
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,469
chart mm-hmm it wasn't there's a

1840
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:35,840
specific time people were seeing all the

1841
01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:39,170
UFOs according the star type now civil

1842
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:40,760
time normal civil time what's on your

1843
01:15:45,550 --> 01:15:43,310
clock most the sightings is just low

1844
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:45,560
Rumble through the day and it gets up

1845
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:47,750
after about 6 o'clock 7 to about 10

1846
01:15:50,890 --> 01:15:48,440
o'clock at night

1847
01:15:52,690 --> 01:15:50,900
essentially bedtime that's where most

1848
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:52,700
the sightings were seen and most people

1849
01:15:57,010 --> 01:15:54,830
say would duh you know yeah this one

1850
01:15:59,800 --> 01:15:57,020
most people see these things okay that

1851
01:16:02,290 --> 01:15:59,810
that is what you would expect satiereal

1852
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:02,300
time you crank that here to convert the

1853
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:04,370
times that in the states where it was

1854
01:16:08,140 --> 01:16:06,320
daylight savings time so he had to look

1855
01:16:10,209 --> 01:16:08,150
at the the months that were associated

1856
01:16:11,950 --> 01:16:10,219
with all sightings yeah you need to

1857
01:16:13,540 --> 01:16:11,960
convert them to daylight say from

1858
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:13,550
daylight saving time to standard time

1859
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:15,890
then he had to correct the spelling on

1860
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:16,369
those

1861
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:17,420
it's never I told you there was a

1862
01:16:21,419 --> 01:16:19,489
problem here then he went out and bought

1863
01:16:24,129 --> 01:16:21,429
a disk with all the latitude/longitude

1864
01:16:27,729 --> 01:16:24,139
information and we inserted that into

1865
01:16:28,450 --> 01:16:27,739
the database and he crunched it Oh guess

1866
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:28,460
what

1867
01:16:36,370 --> 01:16:33,190
there's at this time call about 1830 or

1868
01:16:39,339 --> 01:16:36,380
1800 satiereal time that's six o'clock

1869
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,349
start time okay guess what's overhead

1870
01:16:47,020 --> 01:16:41,840
from about quarter to 6:00 to about 6:30

1871
01:16:48,910 --> 01:16:47,030
star time the galaxy a dead straight

1872
01:16:53,229 --> 01:16:48,920
overhead Wow

1873
01:16:54,910 --> 01:16:53,239
it was consistent from Iowa in my oming

1874
01:16:57,070 --> 01:16:54,920
which was the first ones where he tested

1875
01:16:59,620 --> 01:16:57,080
the program out and then he crunched

1876
01:17:02,290 --> 01:16:59,630
California he did New York for me and we

1877
01:17:04,419 --> 01:17:02,300
did Arizona and it was consistent it

1878
01:17:07,060 --> 01:17:04,429
shouldn't have been if it was a fluke if

1879
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:07,070
it was nuts and crackpots are we gonna

1880
01:17:11,589 --> 01:17:09,050
do a whole rest of the country no

1881
01:17:13,149 --> 01:17:11,599
because it was too time intensive now

1882
01:17:16,750 --> 01:17:13,159
maybe once we get all the spelling

1883
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:16,760
corrected we might take a shot at it but

1884
01:17:23,229 --> 01:17:20,330
he wrote he values the spirits to his

1885
01:17:26,379 --> 01:17:23,239
wife and I don't have those skills yeah

1886
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,389
that's okay but we got a snapshot here

1887
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:28,400
we know there's something here maybe

1888
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,050
somebody else with more time and

1889
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:32,480
resources living in their mom's cellar

1890
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:36,110
will be able to do this but I don't have

1891
01:17:39,879 --> 01:17:37,610
the time for it and neither does he

1892
01:17:41,740 --> 01:17:39,889
right we do know there's something here

1893
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:41,750
you know how many scientific discovery

1894
01:17:45,339 --> 01:17:43,670
started with one little tidbit somebody

1895
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:45,349
discovered in 20 years later somebody

1896
01:17:47,919 --> 01:17:46,400
said Wow

1897
01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:47,929
you know look what they found let's see

1898
01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:49,670
if it goes bigger than that you know in

1899
01:17:53,470 --> 01:17:51,110
how many things like that were

1900
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,480
discovered like that exactly it takes

1901
01:17:57,580 --> 01:17:55,520
like one person to pick up the ball and

1902
01:17:59,410 --> 01:17:57,590
run with it and I think that's that

1903
01:18:00,850 --> 01:17:59,420
that's what's very important and one of

1904
01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:00,860
those people you mentioned was Stanton

1905
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:03,260
Friedman I mean we now know that this

1906
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,409
dude after 80 you know he's turning 84

1907
01:18:11,379 --> 01:18:08,960
this year he's finally retiring from the

1908
01:18:13,570 --> 01:18:11,389
UFO field that's a big deal to a lot of

1909
01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:13,580
people out there and you know we start

1910
01:18:17,589 --> 01:18:15,830
seeing this new generation kind of

1911
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:17,599
cropping up Cheryl and before we get to

1912
01:18:21,490 --> 01:18:19,310
what's next for you I'd love to know

1913
01:18:23,649 --> 01:18:21,500
your thoughts on what would you tell

1914
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:23,659
these younger people getting involved

1915
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:26,960
right now in UFO research how how should

1916
01:18:31,219 --> 01:18:29,369
they get involved where should they turn

1917
01:18:33,290 --> 01:18:31,229
and what should they expect when they

1918
01:18:35,509 --> 01:18:33,300
get into this crazy thing we've all

1919
01:18:38,270 --> 01:18:35,519
decided to do well there's an awful lot

1920
01:18:41,089 --> 01:18:38,280
of dues ism you didn't pay your dues

1921
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:41,099
yeah oh I heard this over the last three

1922
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:43,489
years I had all these people just

1923
01:18:48,529 --> 01:18:46,260
ragging on me and the groups on Facebook

1924
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:48,539
well she's just you know she hasn't paid

1925
01:18:53,389 --> 01:18:51,510
her dues you know she's not established

1926
01:18:55,909 --> 01:18:53,399
like so and so and so and so you know

1927
01:18:58,759 --> 01:18:55,919
and I wrote one article author and said

1928
01:19:02,330 --> 01:18:58,769
gee is this is so devastating to the

1929
01:19:03,739 --> 01:19:02,340
field of UFO ology that a a few women

1930
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:03,749
are out here doing their own research

1931
01:19:09,409 --> 01:19:07,320
that's not nuts-and-bolts research a lot

1932
01:19:11,209 --> 01:19:09,419
of guys only go with the nuts and bolts

1933
01:19:13,909 --> 01:19:11,219
they only wanna see what the cockpit of

1934
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:13,919
that UFO looks like we decided to go

1935
01:19:18,799 --> 01:19:16,530
study something else something nobody

1936
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:18,809
else were looking at we've got our own

1937
01:19:23,629 --> 01:19:21,510
niche and sometimes some of this stuff

1938
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:23,639
is too squishy for what I'm gonna call

1939
01:19:28,609 --> 01:19:26,159
the white male community of the UFO

1940
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:28,619
community right a-and that's an issue

1941
01:19:33,109 --> 01:19:31,169
there are new people coming in I might

1942
01:19:34,459 --> 01:19:33,119
advise to them up until this point and

1943
01:19:36,619 --> 01:19:34,469
it continues to be

1944
01:19:39,589 --> 01:19:36,629
if you liked you know like this stuff

1945
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:39,599
find yourself an itch that somebody else

1946
01:19:43,489 --> 01:19:41,489
isn't we're and this is what people in

1947
01:19:45,169 --> 01:19:43,499
astronomy will tell you you know

1948
01:19:46,729 --> 01:19:45,179
remember Veera Reuben who discovered

1949
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:46,739
that the you know that the galaxies are

1950
01:19:52,279 --> 01:19:49,530
flying apart and you know nobody else

1951
01:19:53,839 --> 01:19:52,289
was studying that and her attitude was

1952
01:19:55,609 --> 01:19:53,849
you know in those days in the Astronomy

1953
01:19:57,409 --> 01:19:55,619
community if you said something like

1954
01:19:59,029 --> 01:19:57,419
people say what are you studying and you

1955
01:20:02,209 --> 01:19:59,039
said something and everybody laughed you

1956
01:20:03,709 --> 01:20:02,219
knew you had an itch yeah okay so I told

1957
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:03,719
these I've been telling these kids and

1958
01:20:08,299 --> 01:20:05,280
said if you want to study this stuff

1959
01:20:10,489 --> 01:20:08,309
don't go where everybody don't go where

1960
01:20:13,009 --> 01:20:10,499
everybody else is find something that's

1961
01:20:15,469 --> 01:20:13,019
an itch and go go drill on it and tell

1962
01:20:17,659 --> 01:20:15,479
you get some answers and then report

1963
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:17,669
then publish it and report it the other

1964
01:20:22,009 --> 01:20:19,169
big problem we've got in this community

1965
01:20:26,509 --> 01:20:22,019
we don't have any clear institutions for

1966
01:20:28,969 --> 01:20:26,519
peer review aiming yeah I caught so much

1967
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:28,979
cramp from when I'm gonna call the nuts

1968
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:30,510
and bolts researchers and investigators

1969
01:20:34,819 --> 01:20:33,030
because I didn't fit all hundred and

1970
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:34,829
twenty thousand I said that was never

1971
01:20:39,020 --> 01:20:37,320
the objective yeah you know and and I

1972
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:39,030
hand these people come to me and say oh

1973
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:41,010
you didn't do this new didn't do that I

1974
01:20:45,410 --> 01:20:43,050
said yeah but you didn't do

1975
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:45,420
this it didn't matter because in the

1976
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:49,650
scale of things that the big data trends

1977
01:20:53,839 --> 01:20:52,260
were more important than the individual

1978
01:20:55,549 --> 01:20:53,849
sightings which is what all the

1979
01:20:57,620 --> 01:20:55,559
investigators will beat you up on oh

1980
01:21:00,439 --> 01:20:57,630
yeah but we we've got it right down to

1981
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:00,449
four percent you know I didn't care I as

1982
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:02,730
a journalist had noticed that most

1983
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,650
people were very sincere with their

1984
01:21:08,990 --> 01:21:06,900
sightings so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

1985
01:21:10,580 --> 01:21:09,000
sit here and cross-examine them and say

1986
01:21:12,350 --> 01:21:10,590
oh you probably just saw an airplane

1987
01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:12,360
with one running light out or something

1988
01:21:16,939 --> 01:21:14,280
I'm just going to say I think maybe they

1989
01:21:21,049 --> 01:21:16,949
saw something amazing because 39 other

1990
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:21,059
people or 49 other people didn't report

1991
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:22,679
what they saw but these people were

1992
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:24,360
moved and not the report what they see

1993
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:26,400
very I think that makes that makes it

1994
01:21:31,370 --> 01:21:29,610
more unique absolutely the you know

1995
01:21:33,339 --> 01:21:31,380
being compelled to actually report it

1996
01:21:36,049 --> 01:21:33,349
something happened and it was an

1997
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:36,059
extraordinary to that individual and I

1998
01:21:40,939 --> 01:21:38,219
think that's that's very important that

1999
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:40,949
human aspect to all this how it changes

2000
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:43,800
a person how they perceive it and what

2001
01:21:47,899 --> 01:21:45,719
it what what impact it leaves on them

2002
01:21:49,879 --> 01:21:47,909
and I think you know the aftermath of a

2003
01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:49,889
UFO event is just as intriguing as the

2004
01:21:55,879 --> 01:21:53,219
event itself yeah yeah there is there's

2005
01:21:58,729 --> 01:21:55,889
a fallout event in for individuals you

2006
01:22:02,330 --> 01:21:58,739
know spectrum cable did a special on me

2007
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:02,340
appear a long-form piece yes I saw the

2008
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:03,900
man and I thought they were just gonna

2009
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:06,650
run out one day well they ended up

2010
01:22:11,089 --> 01:22:09,780
running it the day I sent a reporter

2011
01:22:13,069 --> 01:22:11,099
over to talk to me in the apartment

2012
01:22:15,740 --> 01:22:13,079
which I wasn't expecting I had just

2013
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:15,750
gotten back you know and I had to run

2014
01:22:21,620 --> 01:22:17,730
around here clean the place up yeah you

2015
01:22:23,540 --> 01:22:21,630
know you know but she came in and talked

2016
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:23,550
put a microphone on me and talked and we

2017
01:22:26,990 --> 01:22:25,650
just talked about this not the topic

2018
01:22:28,819 --> 01:22:27,000
matter and I showed her some stuff from

2019
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:28,829
the books and everything and she had

2020
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,690
that for b-roll footage and then they

2021
01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:33,360
came over to the Liverpool library where

2022
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:35,070
I gave a presentation about a hundred

2023
01:22:38,750 --> 01:22:37,170
people now something you said about you

2024
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:38,760
know Millennials getting in this that

2025
01:22:42,979 --> 01:22:40,770
audience was very gray there was maybe

2026
01:22:45,260 --> 01:22:42,989
four people what you would consider

2027
01:22:47,689 --> 01:22:45,270
millennial in the audience everybody

2028
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:47,699
else was my age and what does that say

2029
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:49,650
okay but I hit up about a hundred people

2030
01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:52,110
in there but it's a hundred people they

2031
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,880
the book library didn't budget enough

2032
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:55,679
time for questions and answers and we

2033
01:23:00,980 --> 01:22:56,520
had to be

2034
01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:00,990
thrown out of the place and so the

2035
01:23:04,940 --> 01:23:03,270
bottom line is we they shot footage sent

2036
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:04,950
to film crews over in they shot shot

2037
01:23:08,900 --> 01:23:06,960
footage and they put it all together in

2038
01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:08,910
a nice long-form piece they ran out on

2039
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:11,550
the 11 o'clock knows but then the next

2040
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:14,070
day actually for the next four days they

2041
01:23:19,490 --> 01:23:16,350
it was a holiday weekend I think and

2042
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:19,500
they ran it 55 on the hour for the next

2043
01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:23,370
four days I got 75 freaking phone calls

2044
01:23:27,980 --> 01:23:26,040
from people all over and not just here

2045
01:23:30,860 --> 01:23:27,990
in Syracuse I was getting them Elmira

2046
01:23:32,180 --> 01:23:30,870
bring in Tim Corning you know that

2047
01:23:34,610 --> 01:23:32,190
apparently they were running it all

2048
01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:34,620
across the entire state and I was

2049
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:36,480
getting calls and that you know what

2050
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:38,130
these calls were I know you'll

2051
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:41,570
understand I hid a sighting 10 20 30 50

2052
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:45,090
60 years ago on one case to tell

2053
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:46,530
somebody and get this off my chest

2054
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,600
before I died and this is what I

2055
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:50,960
listened to for over the four days

2056
01:23:55,540 --> 01:23:52,890
spectrum and I are talking about the

2057
01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:55,550
idea of me doing a UFO Roadshow and

2058
01:23:59,390 --> 01:23:57,930
basically going around to all the places

2059
01:24:02,030 --> 01:23:59,400
here in New York keep it in New York

2060
01:24:04,610 --> 01:24:02,040
centric thing and go around to all their

2061
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:04,620
news areas as their crew would support

2062
01:24:09,860 --> 01:24:07,380
me we'll do a talk at some big library

2063
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:09,870
or VFW or something like that in that

2064
01:24:14,300 --> 01:24:12,150
area and then talk to people afterwards

2065
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:14,310
on camera kind of a grassroots

2066
01:24:18,980 --> 01:24:17,250
disclosure yeah okay trying to get

2067
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:18,990
people out of this idea that they had to

2068
01:24:23,540 --> 01:24:21,840
hide what they know and that's what we

2069
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:23,550
had proposed and they're they're chewing

2070
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:26,850
on it that's awesome again just those

2071
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:28,290
are the types of things that just you

2072
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:30,840
know spread the word and get more people

2073
01:24:34,250 --> 01:24:33,000
to come forward the more we get this out

2074
01:24:36,170 --> 01:24:34,260
to the mainstream public the more

2075
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,180
they're gonna be accepting and come

2076
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:39,120
forward you know and up that data up

2077
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,510
those numbers and I was excited to learn

2078
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:44,400
and this is kind of an exclusive on

2079
01:24:48,020 --> 01:24:46,260
somewhere in the sky is you you haven't

2080
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:48,030
talked about this much yet but you have

2081
01:24:53,690 --> 01:24:50,490
a new endeavor that is only going to

2082
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:53,700
multiply that by god who knows how much

2083
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:55,770
so I'd love sure if you could tell us a

2084
01:25:00,740 --> 01:24:57,690
little about what's going on with with

2085
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:00,750
Casey Orr okay we there's a lot of

2086
01:25:07,370 --> 01:25:03,530
really good hosts and kco are digital

2087
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:07,380
digital network and they're a well-run

2088
01:25:12,410 --> 01:25:09,900
radio station but there are a radio

2089
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:12,420
network he spit talk host in Washington

2090
01:25:18,620 --> 01:25:14,850
DC so I know who had a good well-run

2091
01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:18,630
radio stations like and it wasn't going

2092
01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:20,520
to get involved with broadcasting again

2093
01:25:25,490 --> 01:25:22,760
and then I had a couple of other

2094
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:25,500
talented people people like Erica Luke's

2095
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:26,520
and things like this

2096
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:28,260
said God we'd love to has somebody like

2097
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:31,710
you on with us so I reached out to the

2098
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:34,590
director Tina I can't pronounce the last

2099
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:39,050
name but she's the she built ke cor and

2100
01:25:45,740 --> 01:25:43,320
I proposed an idea for a particular show

2101
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:45,750
and a particular time slot and we had a

2102
01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:47,280
good hour and a half talk this afternoon

2103
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,409
we're in the process of trading

2104
01:25:54,979 --> 01:25:51,120
contracts and all that right this minute

2105
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:54,989
and around May 1st I'll be launching a

2106
01:25:58,399 --> 01:25:56,880
show we're not going to do it on the

2107
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,409
weekends like everybody else I'm gonna

2108
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:01,440
do a mid midweek and in the middle of

2109
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:03,510
the day like about 11 or 12 o'clock in

2110
01:26:06,410 --> 01:26:05,489
the morning type of thing out there and

2111
01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:06,420
be about two o'clock in the afternoon

2112
01:26:11,419 --> 01:26:09,000
and our time and the idea was for those

2113
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,429
people who are that can't stay up late

2114
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:13,679
you know and and and and have the same

2115
01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:16,770
energy talk and the same content talk

2116
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:19,320
that a show that's on yet you know like

2117
01:26:23,649 --> 01:26:21,300
kind of like midnight in the desert you

2118
01:26:26,450 --> 01:26:23,659
know I can stay up to listen to that

2119
01:26:27,709 --> 01:26:26,460
you know and I used to be able to listen

2120
01:26:29,959 --> 01:26:27,719
to it only because I worked at a

2121
01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:29,969
newspaper and got out of work at 2:30 3

2122
01:26:34,340 --> 01:26:31,830
o'clock in the morning you know yeah but

2123
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:34,350
I can't pick when they had me I'm with

2124
01:26:38,959 --> 01:26:36,780
George Knapp had me on I literally went

2125
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:38,969
to bed about 6 o'clock at night and then

2126
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:41,580
got up so about 4 o'clock in the morning

2127
01:26:47,620 --> 01:26:43,890
so I could do that last hour of midnight

2128
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:47,630
or at the Art Bell show with no no no no

2129
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:49,080
coast to coast

2130
01:26:52,820 --> 01:26:52,380
right no I'll give me another one George

2131
01:26:54,649 --> 01:26:52,830
Noory

2132
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:54,659
well and his producers won't have me on

2133
01:26:59,300 --> 01:26:57,330
why do you think that is well I've heard

2134
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:59,310
two stories one they sought the David

2135
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:00,780
they talked about the data when the book

2136
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,290
first came out but so is it they think

2137
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:06,719
the material is too boring I personally

2138
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:08,250
gave a copy of the book to their

2139
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:08,880
producer

2140
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:10,650
there is another camp of people saying

2141
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:12,179
he's sure you're transsexual and they

2142
01:27:15,140 --> 01:27:13,110
don't want you one

2143
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:15,150
you're too weird for them too weird

2144
01:27:19,820 --> 01:27:18,060
noise to ghost I know that's a cop pot

2145
01:27:23,149 --> 01:27:19,830
calling the kettle black here you know

2146
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:23,159
but it's it's we don't know

2147
01:27:26,899 --> 01:27:25,170
and I can't get a straight answer out of

2148
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:26,909
them and I have asked them I said why

2149
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:29,400
haven't you I've got the SEM and could

2150
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:31,050
this is a quote from somebody else I've

2151
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:33,870
got the seminal book on UFO statistics

2152
01:27:39,169 --> 01:27:36,090
and you guys won't talk to me

2153
01:27:41,870 --> 01:27:39,179
yeah I I it is the seminal book and what

2154
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:41,880
I think you know George nor is an

2155
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:44,520
entertainer George Knapp is a journalist

2156
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:46,260
and I think that's what's important and

2157
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:48,690
I think you know thank god he's the one

2158
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:50,489
who interviewed you I can't even imagine

2159
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:53,370
what you know kind of hack questions

2160
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:55,620
Nuria would come up with you know to ask

2161
01:27:59,810 --> 01:27:58,080
someone like you I've got one more I got

2162
01:28:01,580 --> 01:27:59,820
one more cute one you're like oh let's

2163
01:28:03,649 --> 01:28:01,590
do it you know I got the interview a

2164
01:28:04,820 --> 01:28:03,659
couple of weeks ago I hit him for an

2165
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:04,830
hour

2166
01:28:10,459 --> 01:28:08,239
Louise Alice and oh yeah the guy the

2167
01:28:14,450 --> 01:28:10,469
Pentagon guy did retired and went to

2168
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,460
work for to the stars and I sat here and

2169
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:16,320
talked to him for about an hour and of

2170
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:18,330
course there PR guy was listening in and

2171
01:28:22,370 --> 01:28:20,489
everything and what we did not answer

2172
01:28:24,169 --> 01:28:22,380
the questions other people asked in fact

2173
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,179
we had seen the interview that he taped

2174
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,639
for the International UFO Congress for a

2175
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,040
leandro right and and they basically

2176
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:30,960
asked everything I thought of me asking

2177
01:28:34,910 --> 01:28:33,090
and Linda and I talked about this and

2178
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:34,920
said none and then we're gonna ask a

2179
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:37,290
different set of questions okay first

2180
01:28:41,689 --> 01:28:39,780
thing this is a girl thing okay you

2181
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,699
don't ever ask a direct question he

2182
01:28:45,260 --> 01:28:43,440
asked us kind of a question around the

2183
01:28:46,669 --> 01:28:45,270
edges and you get that you get the

2184
01:28:48,890 --> 01:28:46,679
answer you're looking for because she

2185
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:48,900
asked a question around the edges it's

2186
01:28:51,050 --> 01:28:50,610
sneaky you know women have been doing it

2187
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:51,060
for years

2188
01:28:56,780 --> 01:28:55,050
ah and Linda wrote 30 questions for me I

2189
01:28:58,340 --> 01:28:56,790
didn't you know how all these other

2190
01:29:00,379 --> 01:28:58,350
interviews people saying well I can't

2191
01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:00,389
tell you because my security my security

2192
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:03,300
goes I didn't get that I got an answer

2193
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:06,840
to every single thing I asked Wow okay

2194
01:29:09,950 --> 01:29:08,760
and we haven't completely done typed out

2195
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:09,960
the transcript yeah because I got the

2196
01:29:12,979 --> 01:29:11,340
flu a few weeks ago I didn't have time

2197
01:29:15,229 --> 01:29:12,989
but I'm getting ready to type out that

2198
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:15,239
my and my editor Turkish new times just

2199
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:16,800
thinking about publishing the entire

2200
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:19,770
transcript yes please but but one of the

2201
01:29:24,350 --> 01:29:21,960
questions that came up I said look I've

2202
01:29:26,540 --> 01:29:24,360
written I've been telling people people

2203
01:29:27,740 --> 01:29:26,550
say well as anybody else done this kind

2204
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:27,750
of a book like you've got the desk

2205
01:29:32,780 --> 01:29:29,850
reference I said in a non classified

2206
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:32,790
environment I'm the first one in a

2207
01:29:36,530 --> 01:29:34,770
classified environment maybe they have

2208
01:29:37,060 --> 01:29:36,540
so I asked him I said I've got this

2209
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:37,070
Fantana

2210
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:40,610
thick book on UFO sightings 121,000

2211
01:29:45,069 --> 01:29:42,650
sightings using both national databases

2212
01:29:48,879 --> 01:29:45,079
did you guys have a classified database

2213
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:48,889
and the answer was simply yes but at the

2214
01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:51,440
end of the interview he wants to copy my

2215
01:29:54,700 --> 01:29:53,000
book and I told him I'd sent him in time

2216
01:29:58,120 --> 01:29:54,710
both won Wow

2217
01:30:00,339 --> 01:29:58,130
I see okay so the fact that you this

2218
01:30:02,890 --> 01:30:00,349
book is gonna be in the hands of you

2219
01:30:05,020 --> 01:30:02,900
know essentially the face of ufology

2220
01:30:06,609 --> 01:30:05,030
right now to the stars whether that's a

2221
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:06,619
good thing or bad thing we you know

2222
01:30:11,050 --> 01:30:09,050
that's yet to be determined but the fact

2223
01:30:14,169 --> 01:30:11,060
that they have it in their hands I think

2224
01:30:17,020 --> 01:30:14,179
that's gonna open doors that I can't

2225
01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:17,030
even imagine well I know Louis I I had

2226
01:30:22,330 --> 01:30:19,340
just won the researcher of year

2227
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:22,340
well-timed long won at last year so no

2228
01:30:25,419 --> 01:30:23,840
he's a wait a minute didn't I'm just

2229
01:30:27,370 --> 01:30:25,429
it didn't get didn't he get that last

2230
01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:27,380
year and I said yes he did I got it this

2231
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:27,800
year

2232
01:30:32,919 --> 01:30:29,690
wow you guys are in the same Club you

2233
01:30:35,410 --> 01:30:32,929
know so maybe I'll get an interview with

2234
01:30:36,669 --> 01:30:35,420
Tom at some point but I I'm excited

2235
01:30:39,370 --> 01:30:36,679
about some of the stuff that's coming

2236
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:39,380
out and everything two stars is doing I

2237
01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:41,090
know they get a lot of criticism but I

2238
01:30:46,510 --> 01:30:43,040
think there's some fantastic stuff still

2239
01:30:48,609 --> 01:30:46,520
to come on and my sources at the New

2240
01:30:51,700 --> 01:30:48,619
York Times tell me that there's a lot of

2241
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:51,710
other stuff still cooking yeah I have no

2242
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,320
doubt I mean again yeah I'm trying to be

2243
01:30:58,750 --> 01:30:56,480
hesitant and careful with getting too

2244
01:31:00,939 --> 01:30:58,760
excited about it all but at the same

2245
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:00,949
time like they're producing they're

2246
01:31:06,250 --> 01:31:04,070
producing data they're producing videos

2247
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:06,260
that producing information and not a lot

2248
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:08,570
of researchers can say that oh that's

2249
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:10,489
something else for Millennials I'm an

2250
01:31:15,339 --> 01:31:12,530
old time activist from the trans Trant

2251
01:31:17,589 --> 01:31:15,349
GLBT community okay if I had the

2252
01:31:19,180 --> 01:31:17,599
communication tools on these computers

2253
01:31:21,609 --> 01:31:19,190
when I went to film school took you

2254
01:31:23,530 --> 01:31:21,619
months to make a film these kids shooted

2255
01:31:26,109 --> 01:31:23,540
on her cell phone these days and have it

2256
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,119
edited and got a soundtrack on it and

2257
01:31:30,850 --> 01:31:28,400
out on the out on YouTube and a couple

2258
01:31:33,220 --> 01:31:30,860
of hours yeah if I had had tools like

2259
01:31:34,419 --> 01:31:33,230
that back in the 70s and 80s I can't

2260
01:31:36,729 --> 01:31:34,429
imagine the things I could have done

2261
01:31:39,129 --> 01:31:36,739
yeah okay with what the activists some

2262
01:31:41,050 --> 01:31:39,139
effort I was doing so I'm I'm excited

2263
01:31:42,430 --> 01:31:41,060
that these Millennials are coming in

2264
01:31:44,350 --> 01:31:42,440
because they have all the most best

2265
01:31:47,260 --> 01:31:44,360
communication tools this culture has

2266
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:47,270
ever had yeah and and and something's

2267
01:31:50,590 --> 01:31:48,560
gonna give I

2268
01:31:51,970 --> 01:31:50,600
I really think disclosure is very much

2269
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:51,980
in our future but I think it's gonna

2270
01:31:58,060 --> 01:31:55,520
continue to be a drip drip splash splash

2271
01:32:00,370 --> 01:31:58,070
and like we had with December 16th it

2272
01:32:02,230 --> 01:32:00,380
was a splash and we're gonna get more

2273
01:32:03,850 --> 01:32:02,240
and that's not as long as people don't

2274
01:32:05,650 --> 01:32:03,860
riot in the streets because the

2275
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:05,660
information most people I talked to that

2276
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:08,150
not of the UFO community what Oh yawn we

2277
01:32:11,350 --> 01:32:09,650
already knew that going the government

2278
01:32:12,850 --> 01:32:11,360
lies to us about everything why not you

2279
01:32:16,780 --> 01:32:12,860
approach you know that was the attitude

2280
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,790
from non UFO exactly it's that's the

2281
01:32:21,010 --> 01:32:18,800
other thing is like you know for so long

2282
01:32:22,270 --> 01:32:21,020
many UFO community people you know they

2283
01:32:23,530 --> 01:32:22,280
they say yeah you don't trust the

2284
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:23,540
government I don't trust the government

2285
01:32:26,890 --> 01:32:25,310
whatever they say it's a lie and then

2286
01:32:28,780 --> 01:32:26,900
this story comes forward where the

2287
01:32:31,150 --> 01:32:28,790
Pentagon say look we did investigate

2288
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:31,160
this and here's what we got and no

2289
01:32:35,710 --> 01:32:33,290
people are ok yeah we believe it we

2290
01:32:38,020 --> 01:32:35,720
believe you yeah it's hard it's a hard

2291
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,030
it's a you know between a rock and a

2292
01:32:43,390 --> 01:32:40,400
hard place I think what bothers me right

2293
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:43,400
now in the UFO community is the two

2294
01:32:47,860 --> 01:32:45,650
national databases you have some

2295
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:47,870
problems and I'm trying to communicate

2296
01:32:52,510 --> 01:32:50,030
the information to them and they seem

2297
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:52,520
very resistant to make any changes to

2298
01:32:57,970 --> 01:32:55,250
improve the way they collect the data

2299
01:33:00,460 --> 01:32:57,980
acumen example when we published the

2300
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:00,470
book people noticed on our chart for the

2301
01:33:07,870 --> 01:33:05,210
shapes there was a D is K and D is C

2302
01:33:09,790 --> 01:33:07,880
disk both of them were discs and they

2303
01:33:11,890 --> 01:33:09,800
said well why did you do that I said

2304
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:11,900
that's the integrity of the database one

2305
01:33:17,290 --> 01:33:14,630
one organization had disk1 aid

2306
01:33:18,820 --> 01:33:17,300
organization at DIS C and we were trying

2307
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:18,830
to preserve that integrity even though

2308
01:33:23,460 --> 01:33:21,170
they spelled it different and I'd like

2309
01:33:26,050 --> 01:33:23,470
to see them get together and start

2310
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:26,060
standardizing their shapes the other

2311
01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:28,070
thing I would like to see them do is

2312
01:33:30,850 --> 01:33:30,110
like move on is this problem rather

2313
01:33:32,740 --> 01:33:30,860
seriously

2314
01:33:34,990 --> 01:33:32,750
a lot of people think there's lots of

2315
01:33:37,150 --> 01:33:35,000
UFO sightings at midnight know that if

2316
01:33:39,330 --> 01:33:37,160
you don't put a time in it automatically

2317
01:33:42,190 --> 01:33:39,340
defaults it gives you a midnight

2318
01:33:44,230 --> 01:33:42,200
indication at the time Oh interesting I

2319
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:44,240
didn't know that yeah we didn't know

2320
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:46,490
that either until we could get started

2321
01:33:50,530 --> 01:33:49,070
noticing how many of them were and then

2322
01:33:52,990 --> 01:33:50,540
we started asking around some people

2323
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:53,000
told us that was a default and the Paris

2324
01:33:57,610 --> 01:33:55,730
new Fork is something similar so you

2325
01:34:01,090 --> 01:33:57,620
know we've there's got to be a way to

2326
01:34:02,270 --> 01:34:01,100
improve this but just me giving example

2327
01:34:04,459 --> 01:34:02,280
I have made

2328
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:04,469
two letters right now in the past three

2329
01:34:10,430 --> 01:34:08,130
weeks trying to get a dump of the

2330
01:34:13,609 --> 01:34:10,440
International Data and it's being met

2331
01:34:16,729 --> 01:34:13,619
with silence why do you think that is I

2332
01:34:18,859 --> 01:34:16,739
don't know maybe there excuse my French

2333
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:18,869
but pissed off at me and Linda because

2334
01:34:24,379 --> 01:34:20,610
we beat them to the punch and thought

2335
01:34:25,850 --> 01:34:24,389
something up they didn't we've had a no

2336
01:34:29,529 --> 01:34:25,860
we've had a number of people say that to

2337
01:34:32,419 --> 01:34:29,539
us and and they're being very very

2338
01:34:34,339 --> 01:34:32,429
stodgy again the MUFON has gotten into

2339
01:34:38,270 --> 01:34:34,349
this business of being very excused

2340
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:38,280
expression in business okay but I wrote

2341
01:34:41,899 --> 01:34:40,409
an article the last week that basically

2342
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:41,909
said the illusion of money and basically

2343
01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:44,610
the flavor of it is hey everything costs

2344
01:34:48,830 --> 01:34:47,190
money guys you want a database it's got

2345
01:34:50,330 --> 01:34:48,840
to support it you know if you want

2346
01:34:51,979 --> 01:34:50,340
research we've got there's got to be

2347
01:34:53,689 --> 01:34:51,989
some money generated you want

2348
01:34:55,850 --> 01:34:53,699
conferences there's got to be some money

2349
01:34:59,540 --> 01:34:55,860
generated to make all this stuff just

2350
01:35:02,180 --> 01:34:59,550
being the reservation rates just to want

2351
01:35:04,819 --> 01:35:02,190
to reserve conference room space at a

2352
01:35:06,890 --> 01:35:04,829
major hope convention hotel is more than

2353
01:35:10,069 --> 01:35:06,900
most of us make in three or four months

2354
01:35:11,330 --> 01:35:10,079
ya know it's huge I mean we looked at

2355
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:11,340
doing that conference here in New York

2356
01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:13,650
State a one-day conference and there

2357
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:15,480
were some staggering problems with that

2358
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,489
both either we found a cheap way to do

2359
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:19,199
it but then the insurance got too

2360
01:35:23,450 --> 01:35:21,030
expensive you know it was a little

2361
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:23,460
things that you have to look at in a big

2362
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:26,070
organization like MUFON has found a way

2363
01:35:30,799 --> 01:35:28,770
to get around that but then everybody

2364
01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:30,809
says oh they're only their money hungry

2365
01:35:34,910 --> 01:35:32,550
and everything like that no I don't

2366
01:35:36,770 --> 01:35:34,920
think everything costs costs money it

2367
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,780
does you know in people who don't sit

2368
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:38,639
here and tell me up in the groups and

2369
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:40,380
everything oh they're just money hungry

2370
01:35:43,129 --> 01:35:42,690
none and then things cost money I'm

2371
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:43,139
sorry

2372
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,610
yeah that's a good point again Wendy

2373
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:46,320
those are the things you got to break

2374
01:35:50,810 --> 01:35:49,110
down and realize any UFO conference or

2375
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,820
organization putting on a conference

2376
01:35:55,729 --> 01:35:53,520
like there may be breaking even if

2377
01:35:58,069 --> 01:35:55,739
they're lucky and the speakers are not

2378
01:36:01,459 --> 01:35:58,079
living in trust me yeah a bit they fly

2379
01:36:03,020 --> 01:36:01,469
us out there they put us up we hit the

2380
01:36:05,330 --> 01:36:03,030
people most of them we have our own

2381
01:36:09,020 --> 01:36:05,340
meals but we get an honorarium so if

2382
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:09,030
you're careful with how you how you feed

2383
01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:11,730
yourself can come away maybe with a

2384
01:36:14,350 --> 01:36:13,590
hundred dollars worth of profit 50 or

2385
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:14,360
100 dollars

2386
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:17,840
profit but no we're not me you know and

2387
01:36:22,899 --> 01:36:20,210
dr. Alexander made a good case of this

2388
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:22,909
but but the 2015 one you and I were at

2389
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:25,250
that you know don't kind of making a

2390
01:36:30,609 --> 01:36:27,650
living doing this you know yeah no this

2391
01:36:32,649 --> 01:36:30,619
is not a career this is a passion and a

2392
01:36:35,169 --> 01:36:32,659
journey an individual journey I'd have

2393
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:35,179
to say for each person to find their own

2394
01:36:39,820 --> 01:36:37,250
discoveries you know if you're in this

2395
01:36:42,129 --> 01:36:39,830
to make money go do something else

2396
01:36:44,410 --> 01:36:42,139
because this is not this is not the

2397
01:36:47,260 --> 01:36:44,420
place for that absolutely it's just it's

2398
01:36:49,330 --> 01:36:47,270
too niche and it's too scary for a lot

2399
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:49,340
of people too the fact that we might not

2400
01:36:53,290 --> 01:36:51,199
be alone is scary enough the fact that

2401
01:36:55,570 --> 01:36:53,300
they might be visiting is out in our

2402
01:36:58,180 --> 01:36:55,580
here is a whole other story

2403
01:37:00,430 --> 01:36:58,190
so money aside it's a topic that many

2404
01:37:02,290 --> 01:37:00,440
people don't want to think about from

2405
01:37:04,570 --> 01:37:02,300
day to day but we find ourselves doing

2406
01:37:06,609 --> 01:37:04,580
it every single moment of almost every

2407
01:37:09,070 --> 01:37:06,619
single day yes that's that's the issue

2408
01:37:11,709 --> 01:37:09,080
so I would like to get to the bottom of

2409
01:37:13,419 --> 01:37:11,719
the answers but the UFO community has a

2410
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:13,429
tendency to want to drink from the fire

2411
01:37:17,859 --> 01:37:15,650
hose and most people can only handle a

2412
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:17,869
little couple or teaspoonful at a time

2413
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:20,330
you know but the word I'm hearing from

2414
01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:22,250
most people is they're very interested

2415
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:24,050
the word I hear from a lot of elders and

2416
01:37:28,959 --> 01:37:27,050
I'm I'm 66 and I go to it I got invited

2417
01:37:30,729 --> 01:37:28,969
to a Senior Center here the other day to

2418
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:30,739
give a presentation at a Senior Center

2419
01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:32,210
this is the kind of invitations I'm

2420
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:35,600
getting and that crowd really ate it up

2421
01:37:40,090 --> 01:37:38,090
in the attitude they had is God I'd like

2422
01:37:42,220 --> 01:37:40,100
to know the real truth on this before I

2423
01:37:43,510 --> 01:37:42,230
die yeah and I think we all think that

2424
01:37:45,790 --> 01:37:43,520
from time to time and I think that's

2425
01:37:47,919 --> 01:37:45,800
what's interesting about Tom DeLonge is

2426
01:37:50,050 --> 01:37:47,929
you've got someone yeah he's not you

2427
01:37:52,660 --> 01:37:50,060
know he's no he's no young and but he's

2428
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:52,670
also not you know a senior citizen and I

2429
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:54,920
think that's that representation is

2430
01:37:58,750 --> 01:37:57,320
showing younger people yeah yeah see

2431
01:38:01,149 --> 01:37:58,760
this is a cool this could be a cool

2432
01:38:03,370 --> 01:38:01,159
topic and I have no doubt that that's

2433
01:38:05,470 --> 01:38:03,380
going to change for you as these drip

2434
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:05,480
drip splashes happen child that you are

2435
01:38:09,609 --> 01:38:07,250
gonna get invited to speak at more

2436
01:38:11,950 --> 01:38:09,619
events that what you're doing is going

2437
01:38:15,359 --> 01:38:11,960
to be more respected and it's going to

2438
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:15,369
be the book and the books plural that

2439
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:18,920
researchers in the next 10 you know 5 10

2440
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,250
15 years are going to use like we did

2441
01:38:26,279 --> 01:38:24,320
with Stanton Friedman you know for so

2442
01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:26,289
many years so I have

2443
01:38:31,740 --> 01:38:28,719
we did a reference book so yeah it's

2444
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:31,750
it's amazing the book of if you look up

2445
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:34,510
UFO sightings Desk Reference on Amazon

2446
01:38:39,029 --> 01:38:36,130
that's where it is we published through

2447
01:38:40,620 --> 01:38:39,039
Amazon and so they'll get it to you in

2448
01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:40,630
two to three days depending upon what

2449
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:42,550
time of day you order it you can get it

2450
01:38:45,689 --> 01:38:44,050
to Barnes & Noble but they get it right

2451
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:45,699
they got to get it from Amazon anyway

2452
01:38:50,819 --> 01:38:48,130
but the Amazon is the easiest fastest

2453
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:50,829
way to get it and one thing I ain't

2454
01:38:55,049 --> 01:38:53,050
recommending to people and this is a

2455
01:38:56,729 --> 01:38:55,059
very strong thing we brought the price

2456
01:38:58,109 --> 01:38:56,739
down from thirty-nine ninety-five down

2457
01:38:59,850 --> 01:38:58,119
the twenty nine ninety five at the

2458
01:39:01,319 --> 01:38:59,860
holiday tear it period and it seemed to

2459
01:39:03,689 --> 01:39:01,329
be a sweet spot for the book and we've

2460
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,699
sold a lot of books so we said well

2461
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:06,159
we'll leave it there okay but one thing

2462
01:39:11,580 --> 01:39:08,530
we're encouraging people to do is turn

2463
01:39:14,729 --> 01:39:11,590
off a copy of the Amazon listing for the

2464
01:39:17,279 --> 01:39:14,739
book turn off a copy of the April 24th

2465
01:39:20,129 --> 01:39:17,289
New York Times UFO article which is

2466
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:20,139
about me and Linda and this book print

2467
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:22,090
those two things off staple them

2468
01:39:27,689 --> 01:39:24,550
together go to your local neighborhood

2469
01:39:29,819 --> 01:39:27,699
library go to the information desk and

2470
01:39:31,589 --> 01:39:29,829
said I would like to see a copy of this

2471
01:39:33,540 --> 01:39:31,599
in your collection either in the cut in

2472
01:39:35,879 --> 01:39:33,550
the reference section or in your general

2473
01:39:39,149 --> 01:39:35,889
collection yes good thing you know

2474
01:39:41,790 --> 01:39:39,159
emails get ignored but if you walk in

2475
01:39:44,250 --> 01:39:41,800
with a book listing and a positive

2476
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:44,260
article written about the book and and

2477
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:46,449
you are a living breathing human being

2478
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,610
looking at that lady or guy at the

2479
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:50,320
information desk they will take you

2480
01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:52,570
seriously here's the reason why now some

2481
01:39:55,950 --> 01:39:54,550
people that the cynics out there you

2482
01:39:57,299 --> 01:39:55,960
know don't want anybody to make any

2483
01:39:59,370 --> 01:39:57,309
money on this stuff we're saying well

2484
01:40:01,439 --> 01:39:59,380
you're just trying to sell books yes and

2485
01:40:03,919 --> 01:40:01,449
no I said if we are trying to do

2486
01:40:06,270 --> 01:40:03,929
disclosure in this country

2487
01:40:09,089 --> 01:40:06,280
non-governmental disclosure grassroots

2488
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:09,099
disclosure data is important there's a

2489
01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:10,719
hundred and twenty-five thousand

2490
01:40:14,430 --> 01:40:12,760
libraries out there 120 or public

2491
01:40:17,250 --> 01:40:14,440
libraries about another four or five

2492
01:40:19,649 --> 01:40:17,260
thousand our college libraries 125

2493
01:40:22,379 --> 01:40:19,659
thousand libraries um the average UFO

2494
01:40:24,779 --> 01:40:22,389
book is in less than ten standing

2495
01:40:26,879 --> 01:40:24,789
Friedman's maybe make it into 200 I'm

2496
01:40:30,330 --> 01:40:26,889
presently with this book we're presently

2497
01:40:32,939 --> 01:40:30,340
up around 25 or 30 and I went in I went

2498
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:32,949
out with a mem at Facebook and said do

2499
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,010
your duty for disclosure talk your local

2500
01:40:39,970 --> 01:40:38,320
library into buying a copy and I had all

2501
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:39,980
this horrible mail come back

2502
01:40:43,690 --> 01:40:41,840
cat me saying oh I don't have a

2503
01:40:45,370 --> 01:40:43,700
responsibility to do that you're just

2504
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:45,380
trying to sell books and they just

2505
01:40:50,020 --> 01:40:47,330
didn't get the little point that I made

2506
01:40:52,420 --> 01:40:50,030
there this is oh this is a way of doing

2507
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:52,430
grassroots disclosure if you really want

2508
01:40:56,140 --> 01:40:54,770
this dis grassroots disclosure let's get

2509
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:56,150
the information out there for the

2510
01:41:00,640 --> 01:40:57,920
average person to be able to find it and

2511
01:41:02,979 --> 01:41:00,650
why exactly see that's enough to compel

2512
01:41:05,620 --> 01:41:02,989
me to do that like tomorrow you know

2513
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:05,630
what I mean so that's awesome no I think

2514
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:07,780
it's easy it's it's the two articles you

2515
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:10,489
go up you go to Amazon you look up the

2516
01:41:14,710 --> 01:41:12,650
UFO sightings Desk Reference yeah you

2517
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:14,720
get their little listing on it you burn

2518
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:17,840
it off you Google New York Times UFO

2519
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:21,050
kosta okay and you'll get the April 24

2520
01:41:26,110 --> 01:41:24,650
24th article you print that off staple

2521
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:26,120
them together and go to the information

2522
01:41:29,860 --> 01:41:27,920
desk and said I would like to see this

2523
01:41:32,140 --> 01:41:29,870
in your collection so all of my

2524
01:41:34,930 --> 01:41:32,150
listeners right now please please please

2525
01:41:37,030 --> 01:41:34,940
go do that for Cheryl's sake for Linda's

2526
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:37,040
sake for my sake please do that because

2527
01:41:41,890 --> 01:41:39,230
again that grassroots disclosure is

2528
01:41:44,050 --> 01:41:41,900
where it's at for sure yep yeah well

2529
01:41:46,150 --> 01:41:44,060
where can we find your article Cheryl

2530
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:46,160
articles if you go to Syracuse New Times

2531
01:41:50,530 --> 01:41:48,650
and when you hover over the navigation

2532
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:50,540
bar there's a drop down there for blogs

2533
01:41:55,900 --> 01:41:52,850
go down on the plugs that says New York

2534
01:41:57,580 --> 01:41:55,910
skies and in parentheses says UFO column

2535
01:41:59,920 --> 01:41:57,590
you click on that and whatever my

2536
01:42:01,930 --> 01:41:59,930
current article is there and then

2537
01:42:03,190 --> 01:42:01,940
usually there's a there's a link that

2538
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:03,200
will take you out through the archive

2539
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:04,489
and there's four and a half years worth

2540
01:42:08,770 --> 01:42:05,840
of articles out there in the archive

2541
01:42:10,510 --> 01:42:08,780
exactly and what's cool is every you

2542
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:10,520
know every week I have these algorithm

2543
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,530
things set up where I get UFO headlines

2544
01:42:17,380 --> 01:42:14,480
you know anywhere across the internet

2545
01:42:19,660 --> 01:42:17,390
and I'm not kidding you every single one

2546
01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:19,670
I follow always has one of your articles

2547
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:22,070
every single time which i think is

2548
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:23,930
amazing they're funny how that worked

2549
01:42:26,979 --> 01:42:25,280
out but that was one the points ha

2550
01:42:29,530 --> 01:42:26,989
Leandro made when they were justifying

2551
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:29,540
the giving me the award was that I've

2552
01:42:34,420 --> 01:42:32,090
dominated a minute somehow I've managed

2553
01:42:36,940 --> 01:42:34,430
to dominate the the narrative out there

2554
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:36,950
with a continuous stream of good press

2555
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:40,310
yeah and and that just humbled me to be

2556
01:42:45,310 --> 01:42:42,650
hell absolutely I mean in in today's

2557
01:42:47,470 --> 01:42:45,320
world like journalism is such a you know

2558
01:42:49,900 --> 01:42:47,480
a malleable word but you are a

2559
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:49,910
journalist talking about UFOs on a

2560
01:42:53,890 --> 01:42:51,650
weekly basis in a

2561
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:53,900
Beck did you know news outlet and that's

2562
01:42:59,260 --> 01:42:57,170
super rare so again like you've paved

2563
01:43:00,640 --> 01:42:59,270
the way for that and you've you've taken

2564
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,650
the hardships and you've taken the

2565
01:43:04,899 --> 01:43:02,719
successes the failures and you've done

2566
01:43:07,120 --> 01:43:04,909
that so I think you know you know that's

2567
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:07,130
rewarding enough to know that anyone out

2568
01:43:10,030 --> 01:43:08,600
there just because I'm from Syracuse you

2569
01:43:12,189 --> 01:43:10,040
know I might be a little biased but

2570
01:43:14,350 --> 01:43:12,199
everyone out in the world is reading way

2571
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,360
writing I think that's amazing but you

2572
01:43:19,090 --> 01:43:16,400
know because it's an internet bla it's

2573
01:43:21,550 --> 01:43:19,100
an internet newspaper blog it's possible

2574
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:21,560
and then management was doing this they

2575
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:23,690
they have numbers that I don't have and

2576
01:43:29,709 --> 01:43:26,449
I managed to get into that site that

2577
01:43:32,620 --> 01:43:29,719
looks this stuff up and at one point my

2578
01:43:34,899 --> 01:43:32,630
and this is back in 2015 my editor told

2579
01:43:36,729 --> 01:43:34,909
me he says you know you've got over 400

2580
01:43:39,850 --> 01:43:36,739
readers in Russia

2581
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:39,860
you've got like 1,700 in Europe

2582
01:43:45,399 --> 01:43:43,280
you've got like 500 and in Singapore you

2583
01:43:48,189 --> 01:43:45,409
know yeah and he'll I got I've got a

2584
01:43:50,439 --> 01:43:48,199
following in Vietnam and and then

2585
01:43:53,260 --> 01:43:50,449
there's a there's a web group on

2586
01:43:55,959 --> 01:43:53,270
Facebook for the Vietnamese UFO group

2587
01:43:58,540 --> 01:43:55,969
and whenever I post something special

2588
01:44:00,340 --> 01:43:58,550
for them I put it to Google Translate

2589
01:44:02,590 --> 01:44:00,350
and I put it up in Vietnamese for them

2590
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:02,600
you know they just they think it's just

2591
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:04,130
so sweet then they go to that extra

2592
01:44:07,990 --> 01:44:06,020
trouble to do that and I've developed

2593
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:08,000
quite a following in there so that's

2594
01:44:10,810 --> 01:44:08,630
awesome

2595
01:44:12,370 --> 01:44:10,820
yeah just always going that extra mile

2596
01:44:14,620 --> 01:44:12,380
that's what I love about your work well

2597
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:14,630
Cheryl this book by you and Linda will

2598
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,850
surely be one that I and so many other

2599
01:44:22,180 --> 01:44:19,040
researchers go to from time and time the

2600
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:22,190
sheer numbers alone if this isn't enough

2601
01:44:25,870 --> 01:44:23,480
for people to wake up and realize

2602
01:44:28,510 --> 01:44:25,880
something extraordinary is happening I

2603
01:44:31,090 --> 01:44:28,520
don't know what will make them wake up

2604
01:44:31,930 --> 01:44:31,100
please understand I've got a book I'm a

2605
01:44:34,270 --> 01:44:31,940
mystery writer

2606
01:44:36,910 --> 01:44:34,280
and on playwright I got a mystery cup I

2607
01:44:38,740 --> 01:44:36,920
got a mystery count coming out June and

2608
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:38,750
we're doing a collection of myself like

2609
01:44:43,050 --> 01:44:41,090
my collected short stories is coming out

2610
01:44:48,580 --> 01:44:43,060
probably sometime between now and fall

2611
01:44:51,220 --> 01:44:48,590
okay and I wrote a novel in 2014 and

2612
01:44:53,110 --> 01:44:51,230
that we're just now finishing up the

2613
01:44:54,970 --> 01:44:53,120
editing everything I put on the shelf

2614
01:44:57,490 --> 01:44:54,980
while we were working on this book so a

2615
01:44:59,860 --> 01:44:57,500
lot of stuff a lot of stuff that I would

2616
01:45:01,689 --> 01:44:59,870
have normally had published by now it's

2617
01:45:04,030 --> 01:45:01,699
just now going to get to come out

2618
01:45:04,490 --> 01:45:04,040
because this isn't the only thing I

2619
01:45:07,370 --> 01:45:04,500
write

2620
01:45:09,230 --> 01:45:07,380
see yes right so so people say what's

2621
01:45:11,090 --> 01:45:09,240
your next project I said well two more

2622
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,100
mysteries another collection of short

2623
01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,920
stories and I've got a play I want to

2624
01:45:17,330 --> 01:45:15,840
write and and you know there's a lot of

2625
01:45:19,130 --> 01:45:17,340
other stuff that I've been writing over

2626
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:19,140
the years because I'm a meteor I'm a

2627
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:22,410
performance media writer so I'm looking

2628
01:45:28,610 --> 01:45:24,330
forward to it I did do a story about

2629
01:45:33,110 --> 01:45:28,620
UFOs in a form of a play and I wrote it

2630
01:45:34,970 --> 01:45:33,120
in 2003 and it was very dramatic be

2631
01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:34,980
still yeah very nice it's called the

2632
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:37,110
debriefing it's set post-world war just

2633
01:45:42,770 --> 01:45:39,210
post-world War two and it's a really

2634
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:42,780
good piece I would love to see that read

2635
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:45,690
it first and go if you go out to my

2636
01:45:49,340 --> 01:45:46,440
website

2637
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:49,350
Cheryl Kosta calm and Cheryl what a sea

2638
01:45:55,970 --> 01:45:53,010
Kosta will see Cheryl kasa.com the first

2639
01:45:58,460 --> 01:45:55,980
page you'll see a menu it says read her

2640
01:46:01,070 --> 01:45:58,470
plays and if you go to that page you'll

2641
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:01,080
go down and look for the debriefing and

2642
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:02,130
there it is

2643
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:03,960
well I know what I'm doing tonight so

2644
01:46:08,770 --> 01:46:06,210
this has been incredible you are truly a

2645
01:46:11,870 --> 01:46:08,780
renaissance woman and one of the most

2646
01:46:13,820 --> 01:46:11,880
extraordinary people I am so blessed to

2647
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:13,830
have met in this field so I have to

2648
01:46:17,810 --> 01:46:15,570
thank you for coming on and I know this

2649
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will not be the last time so again thank

2650
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you for coming on somewhere on the skies

2651
01:46:22,580 --> 01:46:20,460
my pleasure

2652
01:46:25,730 --> 01:46:22,590
any time and we'll see a kidney Hoynes

2653
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when you come to Syracuse again perfect

2654
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:27,570
perfect we'll tip one back for sure

2655
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all right that's it for this week's

2656
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episode again be sure to check out all

2657
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of Cheryl's work at Syracuse New Times

2658
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calm and order her book through Amazon

2659
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somewhere in the skies is climbing the

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iTunes charts and we can only continue

2661
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:44,160
to do so with your help please consider

2662
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subscribing rating and reviewing today

2663
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all past episodes can be streamed

2664
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through the website you can find

2665
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articles news and suggest guests and

2666
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topics through the website as well

2667
01:46:59,780 --> 01:46:58,590
somewhere in the skies calm merchandise

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01:47:02,210 --> 01:46:59,790
is available right now

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through T public all different designs

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and items go to T public calm and search

2671
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for the Sprague v one store that's t'ee

2672
01:47:14,510 --> 01:47:12,150
public gone were on twitter at somewhere

2673
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skies and instagram at somewhere skies

2674
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pod don't forget to join our very active

2675
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2676
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where I and many others post the latest

2677
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2678
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2679
01:47:31,100 --> 01:47:29,159
on Facebook and request an invite I will

2680
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:31,110
see you here next Monday and remember

2681
01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:33,570
keep your feet on the ground but never

2682
01:47:40,450 --> 01:47:45,459
[Music]

2683
01:47:49,450 --> 01:47:47,680
somewhere in his thighs is produced by

2684
01:47:51,399 --> 01:47:49,460
Third Kind productions in association

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01:47:53,169 --> 01:47:51,409
with the entertainment one podcast